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Post #11,385 by bepatient 10/3/01 12:57:02 AM Reply	Well... I'm in Gnome now...and I think I may have been re-converted. Nautilus is everything Peter's been crowing about. Galeon is what I'm using to post this message as I sit in my cushy chair...with no wires....happy happy happy. When did you get the brickpad? (actually...the newer ones are slim and pretty lightweight...just happen to have had alot of 380 and 390 TPs that have the weight of your garden variety cinderblock. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #11,391 by kmself 10/3/01 1:33:02 AM Reply	Brickpad It's a system I'm setting up for a friend. Debian, natch. Sculpting it to suite, just downloaded a 2.2.19 kernel (still leary of 2.4), and planning to patch that to add reiserfs support. Then do the ole' shuffle to convert the ext2's on here, and he's set. It's a 600X, 450 MHz, 512 MB, HD looks to be 27 GB (though probably "nominal" 30gb). I'm pretty enamored of it, may have a hard time giving it up ;-) Not quite as light as my TuxTops, but its' got a more solid feel to it. And the extra RAM helps.... `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #11,431 by admin 10/3/01 10:06:35 AM Reply	Still leery of 2.4? Why? 2.4 is running happily on every machine I have now. The fs and USB support is superb, with no patching. Note: I had back-patched 2.2.X for USB on my laptop, and it works OK... but there were occasional addities such as the USB mouse going off into la-la land. Generally it worked great, but 2.4 is much better. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,437 by pwhysall 10/3/01 10:16:44 AM Reply	2.4.10 == much happiness I've noticed a sharp performance increase going from 2.4.8 to 2.4.10. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,439 by admin 10/3/01 10:29:58 AM Reply	What was changed? Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,440 by pwhysall 10/3/01 10:31:20 AM Reply	Re: What was changed? The VM is much better and swaps in a much more sane manner. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,441 by admin 10/3/01 10:33:48 AM Reply	Ah. So that improvement was for the peons with less than half a Gig of RAM... Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,495 by kmself 10/3/01 1:55:29 PM Reply	I'll give it a shot, report back Got to compile a new kernel for this laptop. Not patching in ReiserFS will be nice... `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #11,567 by admin 10/3/01 5:07:40 PM Reply	Speaking of Reiser FS I'm using it now. SuSE has it as an install-time option, which is key IMO. I don't have the disk space (yet) to be copying partitions around for the sake of changing the file system. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,570 by pwhysall 10/3/01 5:15:21 PM Reply	I'll be leaping to ext3 When the time arrives (i.e. the next major version of Red Hat). I don't have the means to backup and restore at the moment, and the roll-on, roll-off nature of ext3 appeals to me. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,573 by admin 10/3/01 5:18:48 PM Reply	Yes, I like that about ext3 as well. Also, I read a benchmark test that IBM did. ext3 came out consistently worse, however, than the alternatives (XFS, Reiser, JFS). Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,574 by pwhysall 10/3/01 5:20:22 PM Reply	Call me cynical But I don't think that this here PC is going to see the kind of use that is likely to stress any filesystem to the point where performance is that much of an issue. If it was a server, then of course things would be different. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,575 by admin 10/3/01 5:21:40 PM Reply	Yours, maybe. But I stress my PC's file system on a daily basis: find+grep, transfers, you name it. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,576 by pwhysall 10/3/01 5:24:16 PM Reply	Actually It's not performance that I'm after at all - it's recoverability from when Jo comes in, finds the PC booted into Linux, decides she wants to read her email (she has it all set up on the Windows side of things) and hits "reset". Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,577 by admin 10/3/01 5:30:32 PM Reply	Heh. That too. I'm more worried about power outages, though. My son is pretty well trained at this point. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #11,610 by CRConrad 10/3/01 7:36:50 PM Reply	Ya gotta slap the bitch around a bit next time she does that
Post #11,612 by pwhysall 10/3/01 7:40:45 PM Reply	!? Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,630 by CRConrad 10/3/01 8:26:04 PM Reply	Fuckin' obvious, innit? What you said, [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=11576\|...when Jo comes in, finds the PC booted into Linux, decides she wants to read her email (she has it all set up on the Windows side of things) and hits "reset".] -- How the fuck can you tolerate that?!? (From a putatively adult and reasonably intelligent person, I take it -- or are you dating a retard?) That's just no way to behave with a computer! What should also have been fuckin' obvious is that I meant, not necessarily literally slapping her around, but give her a fucking strong talking-to: "That's just no way to behave with a computer!" Just show her how to shut it down -- you usually run Linux with a GUI on, don't you? So it isn't even all that different from how you do it in Windows -- in an orderly fashion. And then you can tell her, "This is how to behave with a computer!" Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #11,686 by pwhysall 10/4/01 1:38:23 AM Reply	Sigh. What is a person supposed to do when faced with the XScreensaver password box? (Not that YOU've ever seen that in person - snigger) Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,692 by kmself 10/4/01 3:01:01 AM Reply	<ctrl><alt><backspace> - <ctrl><alt><del> `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #11,703 by CRConrad 10/4/01 5:51:31 AM Reply	:muah
Post #11,877 by pwhysall 10/5/01 1:39:43 AM Reply	Hrm. I would be happier if that didn't just kill the X server and drop you back to the GDM chooser... Some kind of "You are about to kill this session and lose all unsaved work, type in the user's password or the root password" box would be useful. The day some serious HCI work gets done on GNOME (and there already has been one serious usability study, conducted by Sun) the better. KDE hasn't even had that - they're "thinking about it", apparently. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #11,848 by static 10/4/01 10:21:23 PM Reply	Type in the correct password, of course. Or she hasn't been trusted with that, go find who locked it and make it unlock it. Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

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