Blix never would have found this

Post #110,298 by johnu 7/18/03 8:30:45 AM Reply	Blix never would have found this You cannot believe how many cases we have of documents and equipment that are stored in private residences. I mean, no inspection regime was ever geared up for going into private residences. We ourselves - even though we have the power to do it - have great difficulty in doing that. Blix would have given us a report saying they found nothing, everyone would have gone home, and 3 - 5 years later, Saddam would be testing his first nuke in the Iraqi desert. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Marlowe, and countless (johnu?) considered WMD so easy to find in Iraq that all it took was walking over and looking. They (and I, if I ever made that statement) were wrong. It's turning out to be more difficult that expected. But then again, we won't blast them for being wrong...they're Republicans. Well, this report comes out in 6 months...just in time for the presidental campaign. If Kay is right when he says "I think we will have a very strong case on all of those [biological, chemical or nuclear]" then you will probably be looking at 4 more years of Republicans. Not the greatest thing in world be but better than Democrats back in control :) Regards, John
Post #110,316 by jbrabeck 7/18/03 10:15:44 AM Reply	Well. . . Imminent threat? Blix would have given us a report saying they found nothing, everyone would have gone home, and 3 - 5 years later, Saddam would be testing his first nuke in the Iraqi desert. (emphasis added) This explains it all Well, this report comes out in 6 months...just in time for the presidental campaign.
Post #110,353 by Simon_Jester 7/18/03 12:14:31 PM Reply	Chuckle....almost... but you're still spinning like a top... Blix would have given us a report saying they found nothing, everyone would have gone home, and 3 - 5 years later, Saddam would be testing his first nuke in the Iraqi desert. You're assuming that the inspectors would go home. Just why would that occur? The only reason inspectors left was because we started bombing again, and their safety was in jeapordy. Furthermore, given that is was more than 5 years between the end of the war and when inspectors left - and given that his WMD programs are SO hard to find now...you've now proven that the weapons inspectors were doing their jobs and were successful. They (and I, if I ever made that statement) were wrong. It's turning out to be more difficult that expected. Glad to see they've made apologies to Han Blix for being wrong...oh wait...they haven't. Like I said - good thing their Republicans - when Democrats make a mistake, they don't get away with saying "oppzie, we made a little mistake."
Post #110,359 by johnu 7/18/03 1:00:31 PM Reply	Huh? Furthermore, given that is was more than 5 years between the end of the war and when inspectors left - and given that his WMD programs are SO hard to find now...you've now proven that the weapons inspectors were doing their jobs and were successful. Forcing the Iraqis to go to extremes to hide their WMD programs is considered success for you?
Post #110,361 by deSitter 7/18/03 1:12:41 PM Reply	Re: Huh? We have spy satellites. It's in the desert. If you move around in the desert, you make nice big clouds of dust. So, I suppose they did everything on windless nights, in total darkness. -drl
Post #110,365 by dmarker 7/18/03 1:30:53 PM Reply	Re: Huh? Do you have an opinion on Scott Ritter's expert opinions ? I am inclinded to think he had it spot on and yet today there are still people with no qualified expert opinion on the matter, who seem to want to tell us that Ritter's so far proven expert opinions were not as right as they have thus far been - ??? Cheers Doug
Post #110,695 by johnu 7/21/03 1:06:45 PM Reply	Re: Huh? I am inclinded to think he had it spot on and yet today there are still people with no qualified expert opinion on the matter, who seem to want to tell us that Ritter's so far proven expert opinions were not as right as they have thus far been - ??? Well, David Kay is a former weapons inspector and is in Iraq collecting evidence of WMDs. He believes, from the evidence he's seen, that Iraq had WMD programs (chemical, biological, nuclear and missle) and believes he will have enough documentation to prove it. I'll leave it to you to decide if he's qualified enough... Regards, John
Post #110,375 by Simon_Jester 7/18/03 2:28:43 PM Reply	Absolutely.... Forcing the Iraqis to go to extremes to hide their WMD programs is considered success for you? Would you claim that it's a failure? What would you define as a success for the WMD inspection teams then?
Post #110,381 by Arkadiy 7/18/03 3:26:01 PM Reply	Keeping Iraq out of WMD business for the cost of 0 lives and $0.010 billion a year (I am guessing here) is a failure. Keeping Iraq out of WMD business at the cost of $1B and 7 to 20 people a week is a success. Remind me nevr to trust you with my money, would you? -- Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them. --Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
Post #110,696 by johnu 7/21/03 1:11:02 PM Reply	Re: Keeping Iraq out of WMD business Keeping Iraq out of WMD business for the cost of 0 lives and $0.010 billion a year (I am guessing here) is a failure. The way I read this story is the WMD program continued, they just moved the evidence to private residences where inspectors would never go. Did I misunderstand David Kay? Regards, John
Post #110,698 by Arkadiy 7/21/03 1:25:59 PM Reply	The evidence was _hidden_ in private homes. The WMD program was mothballed where inspectors could not see it. But it was not "continuing" as in being advanced daily. At least that's my take of it. -- Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them. --Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
Post #110,724 by Simon_Jester 7/21/03 3:44:12 PM Reply	Give it up.....you can't win... the materials could be hidden in public home, buried beneath a small tree, filled with concrete and rusted beyond use and he would still claim that they had a WMD program ongoing and producing output. Reason has long since gone out the window. Relax. They're going to find a #5 nut that can be used on a #5 bolt that can be used an a centrifuge that can be used to refine uranium that can be used to make a bomb. See! WMD program PROOF!
Post #110,706 by jb4 7/21/03 1:54:11 PM Reply	OK then, come back to us in 6 months... Well, this report comes out in 6 months...just in time for the presidental campaign. What a toothsome morsel that is. But OK, come back to us in 6 months, with the report in hand (if, indeed thereis such a report...given this "administration"'s past history of suppressing facts that don't fit its preconcieved notions. We'll de-spin and de-bullshit it, and we'll see if there's really any 'there' there. (Breath not being held...) jb4 The difference between Confidence and Ego is that Confidence has respect, while Ego does not. Candyce Burns (my wife)

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