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Post #103,544 by pwhysall 5/26/03 12:04:39 PM Reply	Ha! It's also a necessary consequence of globalisation and unfettered capitalism. Lowest bidder wins, NO MATTER WHAT. See, us socialists weren't wrong. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #103,650 by mmoffitt 5/27/03 1:25:49 PM Reply	Amen, brother. bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #103,909 by tablizer 5/28/03 9:55:21 PM Reply	Wrongo! Humans are not rational Lowest bidder wins, NO MATTER WHAT. Wrong! I cannot bid min. wage for a programming job. That is because one's worth is shaped by stereotypes and perceptions. I "look" too old and expensive to fit their mental profile. They feel I will bolt when a better opportunity comes along. Everything is about sales and perceptions, not merit. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #103,933 by pwhysall 5/29/03 4:49:34 AM Reply	Have you tried? Or do you think it's just easier to outsource your job to Bombay where they pay less than US minimum wage and they don't have to put up with your bizarre software ideology? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #104,169 by tablizer 5/30/03 5:14:51 PM Reply	Almost right If they sense anything "odd" about you, they would rather rent somebody from India. It is all based on perceptions. Interviews are an acting bit. If they don't care about personality issues, then the distance between them and the Indian is a good thing to them. That is the problem: how to be cheap without scaring them. BTW, why do you call my preferences "bizarre software ideology"? There are many OO skeptics out there, and even more that are agnostic. I would say only about 10 to 25 percent of lead techies are OO zealots. The rest may want to hire somebody knowledgable in OO techniques, but probably don't push OO. They will use OO components and network API's, but don't do "business modeling" in OO for the most part. As far as popularity, OO has tentatively won the component and network API battle, but the biz modeling side is veeeery leaky. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #104,240 by pwhysall 5/31/03 3:49:10 AM Reply	You're religious. Really, no-one I've ever met cares about OOD/OOP as much as you do. And I work in a software house. I admin Windows and VMS for a living, but run Linux at home. Would I reject a job offer because it involved something I don't like or know, like AS/400, or Netware 6?[0] No bloody way. I'll admin ANYTHING if (a) I can learn it and (b) it has a power switch. Get over yourself, learn what needs to be learnt to pay the bills, and focus on something ELSE, like Real Life. But master the English language! A CV with spelling and grammar errors goes straight to the bin. When I receive an email from a colleague and it reads like something a six-year-old wrote, I am minded to think "Unprofessional. Lazy." irrespective of the content because every email client has AT LEAST a spelling checker if not a grammar checker as well. [0] Note the key word "involved". Obviously I can't take a job as a pure Netware admin because my skills are so old, but I could easily revive the skills sufficient to look after a server or two in a heterogenous network. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #104,329 by tablizer 5/31/03 11:49:43 PM Reply	confusing rant with action Get over yourself, learn what needs to be learnt to pay the bills I never said that I would reject a job because it used heavy OO. But, that does not keep me from ranting about it here :-P ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #103,997 by Arkadiy 5/29/03 1:13:39 PM Reply	It's about quality. You may look like you don't have it. No matter how low you bid, "fitness for purpose" is necessary for the sale. You have to convince the buyer that you're a good value for the money. Bad programmers are a _negative_ value. They detract from productivity. And you can't bid negative pay, can you? (I am not saying you're a bad programmer, but you may lok like one) -- Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them. --Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

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