Post #103,052
5/22/03 3:18:12 AM
5/22/03 3:20:59 AM
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Programmable Windows-friendly code editor?
I am looking for a decent code editor that follows Windows conventions (there goes "decent" :-) and has a Turing-Complete scripting language of some sort that allows one to program in custom functionality.
Emacs does not follow Windows conventions very well, and is frankly a bit overwhelming.
I was thinking about writing my own, but it seems like a wheel that has probably been reinvented a jillion times.
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Edited by tablizer
May 22, 2003, 03:20:59 AM EDT
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Post #103,054
5/22/03 3:25:07 AM
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www.eclipse.org
But it's JAVA and OBJECT-ORIENTED so you're prolly not interested.
Learn emacs. No objects there!
Peter
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Post #103,056
5/22/03 4:23:31 AM
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www.ultraedit.com
It's the one thing about Winblows that I truly miss using Linux. Best money I ever spent on shareware.
-YendorMike
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Post #103,086
5/22/03 10:23:31 AM
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Ultra-seconded
It would probably run in a Wine session, since it doesn't install anything in winsys.
I like the way it intelligently converts from DOS to UNIX format.
-drl
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Post #103,409
5/24/03 4:01:33 PM
5/24/03 4:02:18 PM
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Ultra-Edit appears not to have Turing-complete scripting
It seems to have IF statements, but no loops, gotos, and/or functions
BTW, thanks for the tips, guys.
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Edited by tablizer
May 24, 2003, 04:02:18 PM EDT
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Post #103,462
5/25/03 2:42:07 AM
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Do tell. Is that as bad as not having a Euro symbol?
-drl
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Post #103,062
5/22/03 7:40:46 AM
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Re: Programmable Windows-friendly code editor?
Well, you did not say free
I think this is the best text editor ever made for windows vedit @ [link|http://www.vedit.com/|http://www.vedit.com/]
also check check visual slickedit [link|http://www.slickedit.com/|http://www.slickedit.com/]
and Crisp [link|http://www.vital.com/|http://www.vital.com/]
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Post #103,083
5/22/03 10:13:52 AM
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He did not say "cheap" either, so
allow me to introduce [link|http://www.multiedit.com/|MultiEdit]. Windows/DOS only, unfortunately.
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Post #103,170
5/22/03 5:41:23 PM
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Re: He did not say "cheap" either, so
And allow me to introduce [link|http://www.getsoft.com/|Ed for Windows] Massively configurable, contains its own (C-like; no objects to confound...) scripting languages (much of the editor itself was written in this language), and about a quarter of the cost of CodeWright (which I consider to be the most overrated program of its genre.)
Alas, like the rest mentioned here, only for Windoze. (Been trying to get Neville to write it for Linux, but up to now, no luck...He's very Visual C-pus-pus oriented, and passed on the chance to write it in C++Builder.)
jb4
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Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
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Post #103,064
5/22/03 8:08:39 AM
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Dunno if it's "programmable", exactly...
...but NoteTab (Light, Std, or Pro), from [link|http://www.notetab.com/|http://www.notetab.com/], has a macro facility -- even in the free "Light" version -- that might do most or all of what you need. There is a "Libraries" page on the site to download pre-built macro "Clipbooks" from. And it certainly is Windows-convention-compliant; up until Windows 2000 made it harder to futz around with executable files, it offered to install a stub that calls NoteTab in MS-Notepad's place (saving a backup, naturally), so even hard-coded "ReadMe" shortcuts would start -Tab in stead of -pad. (Maybe it still tries to do that, Idunno).
Written in Delphi, of course.
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Post #103,068
5/22/03 8:34:53 AM
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I use GWDSoft GTEdit
Ever since Ben turned me onto it.
[link|http://www.gwdsoft.com/|GWD Soft]
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Post #103,091
5/22/03 10:42:36 AM
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Ultraedit or Notetab; as seen elsewhere in this thread
I've used both with great satisfaction. Notetab Light (which is free) has replaced notepad on my boxes.
Brian Bronson
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Post #103,459
5/25/03 12:50:21 AM
5/25/03 12:51:34 AM
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Turing Complete?
I dunno what that means in reference to an editor, but I LOVED this one:
[link|http://www.slickedit.com/|http://www.slickedit.com/]
I'm fully in gvim nowadays and don't need it.
Within the 1st week of using it I programmed in named cut and paste buffers.
Was very easy.
Edited by broomberg
May 25, 2003, 12:51:34 AM EDT
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Post #103,494
5/25/03 5:35:13 PM
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re: Turing-Complete
Turing-Complete generally means that it has IF statements, loops, and functions/methods (or something equivalent, like recursion). IOW, any algorithm that you can run in another language can run in a Turing-Complete language (assuming sufficient resources).
Many editors have "macros", which may record keystrokes or commands, but do not have IF statements, loops, etc. They leave you hard-pressed to customize behavior to a fine detail. For example, sometimes I wish that I could program the editor to open a file with a text DB schema and make it type in selected field names for me from the schema.
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Post #103,511
5/26/03 12:28:27 AM
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OK, slick has it
They essentially rewrite the whole interface in their own language, You have full acess to it, and it's NOT lisp! Mostly 'C' like.
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Post #103,858
5/28/03 3:10:03 PM
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Ed is $170 versus Slick for $270
Anybody compare the two? I also wonder if there is a "windowtized" Emacs; one that by default follows Windows conventions.
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Post #103,868
5/28/03 4:50:21 PM
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eeeeemaaaaaaacssssssss!
You'll soon learn it.
Peter
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Post #103,880
5/28/03 6:03:23 PM
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Emacs can do CUA. It takes 20 seconds to make it happen
Except, of course, you will not spend 20 seconds of your precious time on it.
(CUA is the name of keyboard/mouse binding standard behind Windows and Mac UIs. I think it was developed by IBM at some point. I met it first in Borland's Turbo Vision)
Read the comments in [link|http://www.cua.dk/cua.el|eLisp file]. Or, go to the [link|http://www.cua.dk|home page].
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Post #103,895
5/28/03 7:52:21 PM
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CUA
was done by IBM, DEC, Sun, MSFT, and various other companies, though IBM had the major role (at the time, it was still the 800 pound gorilla, though the decline had already started). The idea was to create a standardized look'n'feel that would hold across these firms' GUI offerings, so that people could move from one to another with a minimum of fuss and bother.
The acme of the CUA desktop is the OS/2 desktop... part of the reason I know this about it, as I actually read the docs that came with my copy of Warp Connect lo these many years ago. There was a couple of pages devoted to CUA in (IIRC) the "Up and Running with OS/2 Warp" book that came with the system.
Docs were better in the old days.
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Post #104,189
5/30/03 6:23:17 PM
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Emacsaphobia
Emacs strikes me as the kind of tool that if something goes wrong and it gets stuck in a funny mode or setting, then it would take an expert 2 hours to figure out, and an amateur 2 months.
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Post #104,191
5/30/03 6:32:53 PM
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Except that doesn't happen.
Considering I've been using emacs for about 12 years now, and that's never happened to me.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #104,223
5/31/03 1:09:22 AM
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Maybe I am better at bumping the wrong button than you
Sometimes in a mad fit of anti-OO rage my hand just juts to the wrong button or button combinations and puts things in megafoobar mode.
BTW, does it recognize Windows copy-n-paste?
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Post #104,227
5/31/03 1:46:13 AM
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What wrong button?
Do you have an actual problem, or are you just whining about something you've never tried?
Peter
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Post #104,234
5/31/03 2:18:27 AM
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It is a pulled-out-of-my-arse guess
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Post #104,237
5/31/03 3:23:23 AM
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Fairy nuff.
I have adopted the "FFF" attitude to people who whine about free software.
Fix it
File a bug
or
Fuck off.
Peter
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Post #104,252
5/31/03 9:30:08 AM
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Dahm yew...
Can I use that analogy?
Because I just discovered (thanks to you) I have the same problem... FFF sound right up this alley!
Thanks in advance.
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Post #106,135
6/14/03 3:03:10 PM
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Hay, I dig yorzez spailing
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Post #104,226
5/31/03 1:45:51 AM
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Heh.
You can prove ANYTHING with FACTS.
Peter
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