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New What did you do during the war?
I was helping build gismos to assure an easy victory with minimal casualties. But some people were less helpful to the cause of humanity...

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DEAL WITH IT.
Victory was the answer - to a great many problems.
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New which one?
I have never actively been in a declared war by america, but have visited several civil wars, a few insurections and a hostile takeover or two. Have been to northern Ireland in 1972, Montreal in 1976, Central america during the contra flap and various parts of africa I can cheerfully say that sitting and building gizmos is a patriotic effect if you were doing it for free. If you were paid for the work you were doing your fucking job or you would be on unemployment. Dont take any fucking credit for showing up to work on time. The pimply faced tattoed mohawk haired cunt who serves coffee at the 711 does that much and doesnt want the world to do a mea fuckin culpa evertime she ask, "ya wan a donut wid dat?".
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Carpe Dieu
New Don't sneer at showing up to work on time...
particularly when the workplace is arguably a strategic military target, even if the enemy didn't have an extremely broad definition of 'military target." Between the astonishing effectiveness of the armed forces we help arm, and the appalling ineptitude/treason of the FBI and INS, I'm probably as much at risk as anyone in the 3rd ID was a couple weeks back.

As far as personal risk, I more or less agree with Patton's observations on dying for one's country. Any idiot can get himself killed. I've seen it happen once or twice. What I do helps to WIN. That's what matters. Any other criterion is either macho posturing or cheap so-called pacifism - or in Brandioch's case, both - and I've no use for either.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Victory was the answer - to a great many problems.
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New did you get paid? yes so fuck you for going to work
and doing your job. No extra points for that.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Carpe Dieu
New Sorry I don't go into war zones for free anymore.
Had quite enough of that growing up. Buried siblings who were less quick on their feet. I've paid my dues. I don't owe you squat. Nowadays I don't focus on personal survival. I focus on survival of my entire civilization, and of all that is good and decent and honest in the world. Got a problem with that?

Speaking of growing up, there are a number of people here who should try it. I'm earning my keep, in the way that matters most. How many here can say that? Come on, you Windows network administrators. You guys do more damage to productivity than those idiots lying down in front of traffic.

Hey, wait a minute! I don't get paid for being on these fora! I'm operating behind enemy lines here, attacking the Big Lies close to their source. I'm a one man incursion force. Of course, the opposition, while they greatly outnumber me, are not very capable. Think of it as keeping in training. But even soldiers get paid for training, right?

Kudos to all professional soldiers who have been in harm's way for the sake of our civilization. (No, guard duty in Germany doesn't qualify!) An extra high five to those of us who win. And to hell with the do-nothings, paid or unpaid.
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DEAL WITH IT.
Victory was the answer - to a great many problems.
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Correctly stated
Your subject line should read: I don't go into war zones. It's sickening that you have the audacity to equate your going to a cushy job making WMD to a member of 3ID (or 1st Marine or any service man or woman) doing their job. You paid your dues, list 'em.

Got your 20 in?

Got anything higher than the Fire Guard award? (National Defense - given upon completion of basic training whenever any "war" is in progress.)

Got a "Good Boy" (Good Conduct - 3 years without disciplinary action)

How about a "Good Job" (Army Achievement) or a "Even Better Job" (Army Commendation), you know, the ones given upon transfer from one unit to the next, provided you showed up for "work" daily.

How about the harder stuff,
Any Purple Hearts?

CIB?

Bronze Star with a V?

You've not earned anything here, nor have you "paid any dues".
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com|Joe]
New Whoopee do do...
My little brother (head of QA) works for the company that manufactured an integral component to your gizmos... So?

Most here know who paying my salary. Let's just say that if someone really wanted to disrupt our way of life/business, this site would be the logical target. I work on disaster recovery plans, and know the position the organization is taking. Over half of the computing power of the organization is located here. And some very important applications...

So your gizmo company gets taken out, someone else builds the gizmos. Without the services provided by the organization I'm working for, your gizmos won't get built, and a lot of other people will be affected.

You are just a tiny piece of a tiny cog in the working of America. Every piece is requried to make everything work. And everyone is replaceable. How big of a hole do you leave in a bucket of water when you pull your finger out?

Your self importance reminds me of the joke where all the components of the body wanted to be boss... If you haven't heard it, respond and I'll post it in Oh, Pun just for you.

Get a life. Your posts are nauseatingly boring and predictable.
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com|Joe]
New Real targets.
In two weeks, my work is moving directly above what is considered to be the #2 target in Seattle, after the Space Needle - Westlake Mall.

So, by your logic, showing up for work every day is an act of patriotic courage! Whee!

By the way, all those mass graves? Bush Sr.'s legacy. Hey, isn't most of Shrub's cabinet from Pappy's era?
They say a city in the desert lies/ The vanity of an ancient king/ But the city lies in broken pieces/ Where the wind howls and the vultures sing/ These are the works of man/ This is the sum of our ambition...
New Isn't Shrub himself, a part of the Bush legacy? ;-b
[link|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com|Joe]
New Re: Real targets.
Someday there will be a large bronze monument in DC of you bravely boarding the bus..looking upward, chin set, eyes steely. In the movie version, you'll take your seat and gravely announce - "Were not out of the woods yet, men."
-drl
New almost shat myself laughing so hard!!!!
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Carpe Dieu
New Ditto!
They say a city in the desert lies/ The vanity of an ancient king/ But the city lies in broken pieces/ Where the wind howls and the vultures sing/ These are the works of man/ This is the sum of our ambition...
New Re: Ditto!
Yeah, the other part of the story is, you knocked me down and scattered my bus money so I couldn't get on.

"Take care of her for me, Ross...This is something I've gotta do.."

"Don't do it, Thane! THANE! No!! It's my bus! MINE!"

"THANE!!!!"

(Runs alongside, helplessly banging on the windows...)
-drl
New You been watching Bruckheimer films again?
New Must be the lithium..
-drl
New Little gizmos ...
... like this no doubt: [link|http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0403-09.htm|http://www.commondre...ews03/0403-09.htm]



--
Chris Altmann
New And
[link|http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0416-01.htm|Tim Robbins'] essay on the success of the fear-mongering and the general caving-in to the kind of juvenile doggerel spewed by our very own representative of the Nintendo-Eloi - who now preens for a Purple Heart, from the safety of out-of-range.

I imagine we'll eventually see an accounting of the civilian dead, over the dead bodies of the present Administration and its flaks. Unless the Web is declared subversive, of course; always a possibility currently. News will have to come from abroad - and certainly will never appear on a Clear Channel Admin-owned station.

The noncombatants always have the largest mouths, and the conceit of the misanthrope masquerading as 'liberator'. The only use for such -?- study them.


Ashton
New Oh, that's just beautiful.
Excerpt:

And unlike Apocalypse Now, there are real, not fictional images to prove it. But they won't be seen in Western homes.

I say:

Nor in this article. How could they forget to include the photographic proof of mass civilian deaths? Oops. But trust us. We've got them, somewhere. Hundreds. Maybe in the original Asia Times article, which we couldn't bother to link to directly, and where the archives seem broken. Asia Times. Yeah. Almost as credible as the New York Times. But hold on. Mohammad al-Sahaf has the photos and he will show them to you in ONE HOUR! Do not believe those fictional images of mass graves with women and children! Those liars have created them with Photoshop, and we will slaughter them all.

Progressive community my ass. These losers are stuck in 1967. Which, by the way, wasn't really even progressive at the time. What a massive - but rapidly shrinking - circle jerk.

While we're waiting for al-Sahaf or whomever to dredge up that one kid with no arms, here's some more photo evidence of Saddam's victims. Al-Zubayr this time. I've already shown you civilian victims, but here's a mass execution of Iranian prisoners:

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DEAL WITH IT.
Victory was the answer - to a great many problems.
When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Still waiting for one
There was no war, as Congress never declared one. There was an unwarranted invasion of a sovereign nation without causus belli, no different than China's annexation of Tibet or Hitler's taking of Austria and Poland. You support Mao Tze Tung's and Adolf Hitler's doctrine and you still claim to be morally superior to us?

The March 20 bombing of Baghdad was in fact less justified than Japan's December 7th bombing of Pearl Harbour, as in the latter case Japan had made an official declaration of war before the bombing while in March the United States still claimed to be respecting a ceasefire. You support actions more nefarious than Pearl Harbour and you still claim to be morally superior to us?


For one who claims to support Truth and Facts, you are quick to pull out cartoons based on Falsehoods and Lies to support your absolute lack of an argument.

On the first count:

Iraq has not been Liberated. Iraq has gone from one dictatorship to another, from an Iraqi dictatorship to a foreign dictatorship. Liberation will not come until there is an Iraqi government founded of, by, and for Iraqis. The only thing being liberated is Iraq's oil supply, the burden of whose extraction and sale is being helpfully lifted from the backs of the Iraqi people and granted to Halliburton.

The invasion was for oil. This has been proven by lack of alternative, by the old Holmes method: the failure to secure suspected WMD sites belying the claim that it was about WMD, the failure to prepare provisions for the people and the reappointment of Baath party security officials to their old jobs belying the claim that it was about saving the people from Saddam, the early date belying the claim that it was a reelection campaign stunt, Bush's continued support of Yasser Arafat and his earlier support of al Qaeda's allies in Georgia+Chechnya and his refusal to do anything about Ansar before the invasion belying the claim that it was about terrorism, the Bush policy of devaluing the dollar belying the claim that it was about keeping the Dollar strong against the Euro. Instead, we have the United States securing oil fields and returning them to production before more important strategic military targets are taken, and the grant of oil production rights to a handful of US companies. The Communists might be morons on most political issues, but they got this one spot on.

Bush is still wrong. The invasion's military result has no relevance to the morality of the invasion. Example: Given that Hitler was wrong to invade Poland; If Hitler's success in invading, nay, "LIBERATING" Poland did not make his invasion morally right, then nor did Bush's success in Iraq. Therefore, to claim that military success alone makes an invasion morally righteous, as you have repeatedly claimed, you must logically support Hitler's rampage across Europe. Which I wouldn't be surprised if you do.


On the second count, we see the same error as the last. There is no need for the condemned to "eat crow" becasue they are still right and Bush is still wrong.


If the entire occupation force is struck with incapacitating flu and run out of the country by a small mob, will you say that the invasion was really wrong for the sole reason that it was not successful?

If Bush is shot down by an assassin tomorrow, will you suddenly eat crow and declare that the invasion was really wrong because Bush did not come out ahead?


Such absolute lack of morality, absolute lack of integrity is what you are demanding of us, and you condemn us when we show signs of morality, intelligence, and wisdom, for our morality, intelligence, and wisdom show bare your own lack of said attributes.




Marlowe is a fool and a traitor to the United States of America.
When the facts speak for themselves, only Marlowe insists that the facts are wrong.
1923 is here, the Beer Hall Putsch was successful, and Marlowe is loving every minute of the Nazi rise to power.
New Does your family have a history of that?
Not suffering fools gladly?

Well done.
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How do you impose liberation?
New But he's so sincere -
"We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves." -- Eric Hoffer, philosopher
via Alex

I doubt that your eloquent disassembly will have the slightest effect. Those who mistake obsession for dedication have too much at stake ever to reexamine. It's so much easier to see all others as dupes and fools - and to mistake popularity of a supporting mindset for corroboration. (My Gramma taught me this early-on; that wasn't what she meant to teach, though.)


Ashton

I also concur with your sig. This delinquent child is the antithesis of the "patriot" he smugly imagines self to be. Does his toilet paper have the Constitution of the US printed on it? Might as well.
New Who ever predicted we'd lose?
That the coalition would win was never in doubt, though casualties all round were lower than expected. So, the fact that we won doesn't disprove any argument. That we won doesn't demonstrate that we needed to go to war in the first place. With the Iraqi military bombed, their air force wiped out and their economy crippled, the problem was contained. Regime change would happen when Saddam died of old age and the terrorists can't blame us.
Matthew Greet


But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie.
- Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
     What did you do during the war? - (marlowe) - (21)
         which one? - (boxley) - (13)
             Don't sneer at showing up to work on time... - (marlowe) - (12)
                 did you get paid? yes so fuck you for going to work - (boxley) - (2)
                     Sorry I don't go into war zones for free anymore. - (marlowe) - (1)
                         Correctly stated - (jbrabeck)
                 Whoopee do do... - (jbrabeck) - (8)
                     Real targets. - (inthane-chan) - (7)
                         Isn't Shrub himself, a part of the Bush legacy? ;-b -NT - (jbrabeck)
                         Re: Real targets. - (deSitter) - (5)
                             almost shat myself laughing so hard!!!! -NT - (boxley)
                             Ditto! -NT - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                 Re: Ditto! - (deSitter) - (2)
                                     You been watching Bruckheimer films again? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                         Must be the lithium.. -NT - (deSitter)
         Little gizmos ... - (altmann) - (2)
             And - (Ashton)
             Oh, that's just beautiful. - (marlowe)
         Still waiting for one - (tangaroa) - (2)
             Does your family have a history of that? - (Silverlock)
             But he's so sincere - - (Ashton)
         Who ever predicted we'd lose? - (warmachine)

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