Cringely on Refactoring - (tjsinclair) - (41) - May 9, 2003, 11:34:40 AM EDT
         He's still skirting the real issues to make his "point". - (admin) - (39) - May 9, 2003, 11:44:55 AM EDT
             Good point - (tjsinclair) - (38) - May 9, 2003, 11:57:52 AM EDT
                 Do I use unit tests? - (admin) - (34) - May 9, 2003, 12:25:32 PM EDT
                     Apparently my question sounded dumber than it actually was - (tjsinclair) - (33) - May 9, 2003, 12:53:25 PM EDT
                         Lessons to be gleaned: - (admin) - (16) - May 9, 2003, 01:00:45 PM EDT
                             Great stuff! - (tjsinclair) - (2) - May 9, 2003, 01:09:15 PM EDT
                                 Re: Great stuff! - (admin) - May 9, 2003, 02:04:17 PM EDT
                                 C++ unit testing - sounds painful - (tuberculosis) - May 10, 2003, 10:16:03 PM EDT
                             More: - (admin) - (1) - May 9, 2003, 02:14:49 PM EDT
                                 Code coverage - (Simon_Jester) - May 9, 2003, 03:33:25 PM EDT
                             How does JUnit (and the like) deal with web pages? - (drewk) - (5) - May 9, 2003, 02:45:32 PM EDT
                                 Not really specific to PHP. - (admin) - (3) - May 9, 2003, 02:50:06 PM EDT
                                     Also from that page - (drewk) - (2) - May 9, 2003, 03:05:10 PM EDT
                                         HttpUnit is more useful for integration testing. - (admin) - May 9, 2003, 03:08:18 PM EDT
                                         We use PHPUnit where I work. - (static) - May 10, 2003, 12:17:17 AM EDT
                                 I'm experimenting with testing dynamic content ... - (JimWeirich) - May 9, 2003, 05:30:28 PM EDT
                             Can I quote this thread? - (tjsinclair) - (4) - May 9, 2003, 04:15:07 PM EDT
                                 Even better: - (admin) - (2) - May 9, 2003, 04:21:19 PM EDT
                                     No, you can't use my comments - (drewk) - May 9, 2003, 05:10:44 PM EDT
                                     Thanks! - (tjsinclair) - May 9, 2003, 08:43:43 PM EDT
                                 A TDD Example - (JimWeirich) - May 9, 2003, 05:09:24 PM EDT
                         Ooh, he left out the ^ - (tuberculosis) - (15) - May 10, 2003, 10:01:19 PM EDT
                             That's just evil to the core. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (1) - May 10, 2003, 11:37:38 PM EDT
                                 It's C++, what do you expect? -NT - (tuberculosis) - May 11, 2003, 05:43:45 PM EDT
                             I would only use that if it were properly commented. -NT - (static) - (12) - May 12, 2003, 08:43:53 AM EDT
                                 I'd probably never use it at all - (tuberculosis) - (11) - May 12, 2003, 10:35:20 AM EDT
                                     Its a cool parlor trick... - (jb4) - (10) - May 12, 2003, 01:08:32 PM EDT
                                         Not even really a C++ issue as such, is it? - (deSitter) - (9) - May 12, 2003, 01:25:21 PM EDT
                                             Its a Duff Device - (tuberculosis) - (5) - May 12, 2003, 08:50:05 PM EDT
                                                 Yep - it's assembler in C -NT - (deSitter) - (4) - May 12, 2003, 11:25:43 PM EDT
                                                     Most ASM Languages have a SWAP instruction. -NT - (ChrisR) - (3) - May 13, 2003, 12:25:46 AM EDT
                                                         Yes, not my point - (deSitter) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 11:18:05 AM EDT
                                                             And my point... - (ChrisR) - May 13, 2003, 11:27:46 AM EDT
                                                         SWAP? - (JimWeirich) - May 13, 2003, 11:20:14 AM EDT
                                             That's ANSI C?!? - (jb4) - (2) - May 14, 2003, 01:46:33 PM EDT
                                                 That's ANSI C?!? ... YES - (JimWeirich) - May 14, 2003, 01:58:08 PM EDT
                                                 Re: That's ANSI C?!? - (deSitter) - May 14, 2003, 02:22:19 PM EDT
                 Re: Good point - (JimWeirich) - (2) - May 9, 2003, 03:05:12 PM EDT
                     Another good point - (admin) - (1) - May 9, 2003, 03:10:26 PM EDT
                         Me too. - (static) - May 10, 2003, 12:19:54 AM EDT
         FWIW, Squeak is undergoing a huge refactoring effort - (tuberculosis) - May 10, 2003, 10:07:09 PM EDT