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Post #93,107 by kmself 3/30/03 3:36:00 PM Reply	ObLRPD: \r\n Where's my tinfoil hat. \r\n \r\n\r\n Doug: they're both idiots. Drop it. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #93,124 by dmarker 3/30/03 4:35:39 PM Reply	MESSAGE RECEIVED loud & clear (& consistent) thanks all I accept all your comments (blunt as well as commentaries). Thanks for all your perspectives. Consider this a dead-horse. Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #93,128 by dmarker 3/30/03 4:42:43 PM 3/30/03 5:21:32 PM Reply	In my defence ... I believe I was not in essence, claiming any thing different about them than what happened with Microsoft during the 'BARKTO' affair of which I was a participant. BARKTO and others, it was latter admited, were executives of MS who adopted aliases organised by MS public relations man Rick Segal, & claimed to be customers of competing vendors. Their goal was to go into discussion groups to attack these competitors. But, as already said. The horse is now dead. Lets get back to normal <grin> DSM # Rick Segal (not Sewell) [link\|http://lists.essential.org/1998/am-info/msg01529.html\|http://lists.essenti...nfo/msg01529.html] Joe Barr's BARKTO write-up (Joe was there) [link\|http://w3.hethmon.com/os2isp/1999/Aug/Msgs/l2w15889.html\|http://w3.hethmon.co...sgs/l2w15889.html] Another MS related incident. Later info that emerged via Will Zachmann that other execs including Ballmer & Gates had admitted to doing similar. Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003 Edited by dmarker March 30, 2003, 05:13:58 PM EST Edited by dmarker March 30, 2003, 05:21:32 PM EST Expand All History
Post #93,141 by jake123 3/30/03 6:02:26 PM Reply	You were in on the Barkto scam? Wow. You must know Irv Spalten, Bob St. John, Scott Garfinkle perhaps? How 'bout Brad Wardell? Heh... you HAVE to know Bob Germer;) I also have had passing communications with David Barnes, and a few others, though Barkto was all well before my time (I started getting involved in the online warp community '95-'96). If you're curious, Bob St. John's now one of the owners of Serenity Systems, who are publishing that OEM version of OS/2 I keep yapping about. Irv retired last year, and is now being curmudgeonly on the OS/2 newsgroups with the FUD4 (if you don't know, go google on coo.advocacy or .misc, and look for David D. Huff, Tim Martin, David T. Johnson, RJ Friedman, or one of many sock puppets of the above). You might even know Claude; he was out of IBM Montreal. Good guy. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #93,158 by dmarker 3/30/03 9:06:03 PM Reply	Not in on the scam I was in product support in IBM A/P & OS/2 Warp was one of our babies, I had been in contact with & supporting Dave Whittle & Dave Barnes (to a much lesser extent). I had been attempting to back them up in Canopus, under the propaganda & abuse tirade they were under at the time. Dave Whittle either did or was close to an emotional breakdown. I know his manager told him to go take a month or more leave at the tail end of the affair. Microsoft also nailed William Zachmann later, had him fired as technical editor from one of the larger PC magazines - that was lousey because he was always super careful at how he handled MS & what he said about them, but for that job, it wan't enough. Cheers Doug (I was also going to be the country product manager for Workplace OS but as well know Lou G pulled the plug.) Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #93,182 by jake123 3/31/03 9:49:13 AM Reply	Sorry, when I say "in on" I was saying "you were there". I heard it was really nasty. It's still going on, though at this point I think it's more of a skunkworks than actual policy like it was for Barkto. If you're interested, you should talk to Mark at Orion Solutions (Australian distributor); I'm sure you could talk him into spinning you an assessment version of eComStation. We're very close to release of 1.1, and I think you'll find the work we've done to be pretty nice. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #93,299 by dmarker 3/31/03 5:24:47 PM Reply	Nasty <g> It was the most vicious thing I ever experienced outside of physical combat. It always gets ugly when people who have hidden agendas, false ids and apparently no scruples about how & what they want to achieve, invade ordinary people going about their normal participation in places like canopus was. Barkto left me with a very 'bent' attitude to Microsoft and to their tactics. It didn't help that they kept refining the practices & expanding their targets. (Java & that infamous Gates remark 'cut off their air supply', then how they sucessfully out manouvered a disctrict court judge (Jackson) over Win98 integration). Cheers Doug Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003

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