So you admit you live in a fantasy.

Post #93,097 by Brandioch 3/30/03 3:12:23 PM Reply	So you admit you live in a fantasy. It's just that he is nastier than we ever thought, and we hoped his troops weren't nearly as nasty...but they are proving to be just as. TENS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people have DIED because of his policies. Open a history book and LEARN what has happened before. There is NO WAY that anyone familiar with his history would NOT have been able to see this coming. And he did NOT do all of that single-handedly. He had his TROOPS do it. ...and we hoped... Hope has NOTHING to do with this. The FACTS were available to ANYONE who did ANY research.
Post #93,110 by cybermace5 3/30/03 3:59:13 PM Reply	Re: So you admit you live in a fantasy. Uh, yeah, that's why we are fighting this war. Glad to see you're coming around.
Post #93,126 by Brandioch 3/30/03 4:39:19 PM Reply	You are disconnected, again. So, we're fighting this war because Saddam is SOOOOOOO evil. But we didn't realize that he would act SOOOOOOOOO evil. He's evil, but we didn't expect him to do evil things. Yep, that sounds like your fantasy alright.
Post #93,146 by cybermace5 3/30/03 7:26:19 PM Reply	Talking to yourself, again? You aren't even reading my posts. The underestimation was not of what Saddam would do. The underestimation was of how far his troops/Fedayeen would go, even to the point of killing their own civilians and soldiers. And it may not have been that much of an underestimation...there is a large contingent of special forces performing covert operations in Iraq right now. They have been there since well before the battle, and are engaging Fedayeen with snipers and car bombs. There are things happening there that pale anything Hollywood could dream up.
Post #93,166 by Brandioch 3/30/03 10:11:14 PM Reply	That's why you're living in a fantasy. The underestimation was not of what Saddam would do. The underestimation was of how far his troops/Fedayeen would go, even to the point of killing their own civilians and soldiers. But this has been done in the past. Even BEFORE the "war" started there were "reports" that they might be staging fake "attacks" on their civilians and blaming the US for it. But we are SURPRISED when they have no problem killing their civilians. Fascinating. And it may not have been that much of an underestimation...there is a large contingent of special forces performing covert operations in Iraq right now. Okay, we were surprised, but not really surprised. And, if you would read the other articles, that "large contingent of special forces" is the reason why the "war" is having the problems it is. Rummy vetoed the generals' request for more troops. He wanted a high-tech, small-footprint army to go in. So that "large contingent of special forces" is a symptom of the failure, not the success.
Post #93,225 by cybermace5 3/31/03 12:28:40 PM Reply	Re: That's why you're living in a fantasy. You've convinced me. No, seriously. That was a surprisingly lucid post. Not one hahahahaha. I'm not ready to pass judgement on how the war is being run yet, but yeah it shouldn't have been a surprise. It was supposed to be a big part of why we went over there. And spec ops is pretty handy in isolated situations, but you still need enough tanks and enough guys holding weapons. I mean, geez, even in Starcraft or C&C you lose if you try to climb the tech tree too quickly. You gotta have marines on the ground or their "weak" units will destroy you. You'd think the military's wargames would include something along those lines. Maybe they have a better idea of what's going on, but they certainly should have been expecting anything and everything. Mistake: underestimating how dirty your opponent will fight.
Post #93,116 by mmoffitt 3/30/03 4:15:29 PM Reply	At last! The reason for poor planning. Open a history book and LEARN what has happened before. There is NO WAY that anyone familiar with his history would NOT have been able to see this coming. Do we have anyone in the White House that can actually read? bcnu, Mikem Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
Post #93,120 by a6l6e6x 3/30/03 4:25:28 PM Reply	Re: White House that can actually read? Big problem there, chief. History books are full of words with over three syllables. And tell about strange places too! [image\|http://www.oz.net/~inthane/slippery.png\|0\|Image\|\|] Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

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