Aha so people like you do learn - pass it on to Rummy

Post #92,974 by dmarker 3/30/03 12:01:34 AM Reply	Aha so people like you do learn - pass it on to Rummy RE trees - what fucking trees are there in Iraq. Re fighting behind women & children - produce a credible report that substantiates this Re Brits shooting at own citizens - they were fighting a revolutionary army or don't you know your own history ************************************** The case for calling the Iraqis 'dirty fighters' is 'piss weak' as we Aussies say and you know it. What you & Rummy despise is the lesson they are teaching you. My sympathy is with the grunts put there in Saddam's Sandpit to endure Poor Planning shit. Doug Marker Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #92,989 by cybermace5 3/30/03 1:14:49 AM Reply	Re: Aha so people like you do learn - pass it on to Rummy Find ANY report that says they are NOT fighting behind women and children, threatening soldier's families, setting up missile batteries next to hospitals or in historic sites. There are plenty of reports indicating they are in fact doing the above. Whether they are "credible" enough for you depends on how much the person writing the story hates America.
Post #93,013 by dmarker 3/30/03 3:02:18 AM Reply	You still don't get it - so you aren't learing anything Saddam is 'unexpectedly' kicking ass & Iraqis are 'exepectedly' fighting back - - so much of the bleating & the propaganda garbage we produced has come back and bitten our asses. You in particular (like Marlowe) seem to have no apparent ability to filter through our own propaganda - you like Marlowe seem to be slittle more than a conduit to spread it, the good, the bad, the lies and all. So go on live in your world of denial - claim that the reasons behind Saddams 'successes' is "Waaaaaa - he uses 'dirty tactics'" and then spew up all the garbage of our propaganda that 'proves' Saddam is using 'dirty tactics' such as the hiding behind women & children crap. Thanks Major Timothy, pity you aren't there to tell the Iraqi dirty fighters what naughty boys they are. DSM Spectres from our past: Beware the future when your children & theirs come after you for what you may have been willing to condone today - dsm 2003 Motivational: When performing activities, ask yourself if the person you most want to be would do, or say, it - dsm 2003
Post #93,072 by cybermace5 3/30/03 1:38:50 PM Reply	Re: You still don't get it - so you aren't learing anything I define "dirty tactics" as protecting yourself by putting innocent bystanders in harm's way. It's also called hostage-taking. It's obvious the Iraqi military has zero regard for the lives of the citizens they supposedly protect, and our military is surprised that the Iraqi military, after all the rhetoric, is really out for themselves and no one else. The soldiers of our military volunteered to potentially die in place of you or I. They would prefer their own death to the death of an innocent citizen caused by their selfish actions.
Post #93,012 by cybermace5 3/30/03 3:01:46 AM Reply	Snazzy little editorial [link\|http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/5509026.htm\|http://www.philly.co...orial/5509026.htm] Yeah, it's an editorial, I'm allowed to post them if you are. It's a good gauge of why the war isn't a pushover, or how well the prop machine is working, depending on your ideology.
Post #93,024 by Brandioch 3/30/03 3:29:06 AM Reply	I predicted that! I am a GOD! Of course, it was a real EASY prediction to make. Even a lesser being could have seen THAT coming. Did anyone here really believe that the Iraqi forces would keep their uniforms on and NOT hide in civilian areas? counts hands 1, 2, 3, 4.... Ahhhh, I see. Any I suppose you people forgot that Saddam was a nasty person in charge of a nasty dictatorship supported by nasty troops?
Post #93,073 by cybermace5 3/30/03 1:40:17 PM Reply	Re: I predicted that! It's just that he is nastier than we ever thought, and we hoped his troops weren't nearly as nasty...but they are proving to be just as.
Post #93,097 by Brandioch 3/30/03 3:12:23 PM Reply	So you admit you live in a fantasy. It's just that he is nastier than we ever thought, and we hoped his troops weren't nearly as nasty...but they are proving to be just as. TENS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people have DIED because of his policies. Open a history book and LEARN what has happened before. There is NO WAY that anyone familiar with his history would NOT have been able to see this coming. And he did NOT do all of that single-handedly. He had his TROOPS do it. ...and we hoped... Hope has NOTHING to do with this. The FACTS were available to ANYONE who did ANY research.
Post #93,110 by cybermace5 3/30/03 3:59:13 PM Reply	Re: So you admit you live in a fantasy. Uh, yeah, that's why we are fighting this war. Glad to see you're coming around.
Post #93,126 by Brandioch 3/30/03 4:39:19 PM Reply	You are disconnected, again. So, we're fighting this war because Saddam is SOOOOOOO evil. But we didn't realize that he would act SOOOOOOOOO evil. He's evil, but we didn't expect him to do evil things. Yep, that sounds like your fantasy alright.
Post #93,146 by cybermace5 3/30/03 7:26:19 PM Reply	Talking to yourself, again? You aren't even reading my posts. The underestimation was not of what Saddam would do. The underestimation was of how far his troops/Fedayeen would go, even to the point of killing their own civilians and soldiers. And it may not have been that much of an underestimation...there is a large contingent of special forces performing covert operations in Iraq right now. They have been there since well before the battle, and are engaging Fedayeen with snipers and car bombs. There are things happening there that pale anything Hollywood could dream up.
Post #93,166 by Brandioch 3/30/03 10:11:14 PM Reply	That's why you're living in a fantasy. The underestimation was not of what Saddam would do. The underestimation was of how far his troops/Fedayeen would go, even to the point of killing their own civilians and soldiers. But this has been done in the past. Even BEFORE the "war" started there were "reports" that they might be staging fake "attacks" on their civilians and blaming the US for it. But we are SURPRISED when they have no problem killing their civilians. Fascinating. And it may not have been that much of an underestimation...there is a large contingent of special forces performing covert operations in Iraq right now. Okay, we were surprised, but not really surprised. And, if you would read the other articles, that "large contingent of special forces" is the reason why the "war" is having the problems it is. Rummy vetoed the generals' request for more troops. He wanted a high-tech, small-footprint army to go in. So that "large contingent of special forces" is a symptom of the failure, not the success.
Post #93,225 by cybermace5 3/31/03 12:28:40 PM Reply	Re: That's why you're living in a fantasy. You've convinced me. No, seriously. That was a surprisingly lucid post. Not one hahahahaha. I'm not ready to pass judgement on how the war is being run yet, but yeah it shouldn't have been a surprise. It was supposed to be a big part of why we went over there. And spec ops is pretty handy in isolated situations, but you still need enough tanks and enough guys holding weapons. I mean, geez, even in Starcraft or C&C you lose if you try to climb the tech tree too quickly. You gotta have marines on the ground or their "weak" units will destroy you. You'd think the military's wargames would include something along those lines. Maybe they have a better idea of what's going on, but they certainly should have been expecting anything and everything. Mistake: underestimating how dirty your opponent will fight.
Post #93,116 by mmoffitt 3/30/03 4:15:29 PM Reply	At last! The reason for poor planning. Open a history book and LEARN what has happened before. There is NO WAY that anyone familiar with his history would NOT have been able to see this coming. Do we have anyone in the White House that can actually read? bcnu, Mikem Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
Post #93,120 by a6l6e6x 3/30/03 4:25:28 PM Reply	Re: White House that can actually read? Big problem there, chief. History books are full of words with over three syllables. And tell about strange places too! [image\|http://www.oz.net/~inthane/slippery.png\|0\|Image\|\|] Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #93,077 by bepatient 3/30/03 1:45:40 PM Reply	Of course you are, dear.... ...and the nice men in white have your soft room ready. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient] And the russian judge gives a 4.3 for maturity.
Post #93,088 by a6l6e6x 3/30/03 2:43:17 PM Reply	Re: Snazzy little editorial Jonah Goldberg is simply elated that the US is fighting Israel's war against Arabs. As is his right, of course. Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

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