Post #89,892
3/20/03 7:45:39 PM
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why is antisemitism everywhere accross all cultures
one rabbi's thoughts on that(longish)
[link|http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=2102|http://www.israelnat...icle.php3?id=2102]
thanx,
bill
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Post #89,902
3/20/03 8:34:10 PM
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Serious ego problem
The author demonstrates one of the few reasons for dislike of Jews that actually can be placed on the Jews, though it certainly isn't special to Jews. He has got a raging religion based ego problem. When the non-Jew encounters the Jew, he is, consciously or subconsciously, struck by a richness of spirit, a depth of living, a resonance of eternity and an echo of the divine that is not easily described, but very palpable. There is something about the Jew that is larger than life, and the non-Jew feels it, sometimes more acutely than the Jew. In many ways it's the same sort of self rightousness that drives much of the most obnoxious Christian behavior. It is the same sort of mind set that lets Christians argue for religious freedom as long as it's freedom to be Christian but be outraged when a pagan wants equal freedom. The same thinking that says a Christian has the right to convert others but others don't have the right to convert Christians. It expresses itself a bit differently among Jews, due to the differences in the religion, but it's the same mindset. Heck, pull Jew out of the above quote and put Christian in it's place and it sounds like something any born again fanatic might say. It's that all pervading sense of correctness that keeps a person from even understanding other points of view. Jay
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Post #89,906
3/20/03 9:03:34 PM
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Did you read ALL of it? Curious
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Post #89,909
3/20/03 9:26:19 PM
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Yes
Read the whole thing, but what I pointed out is the only thing I think worth discussing. Once you see that flaw the rest of his arguments collapse like a house of cards.
Jay
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Post #89,912
3/20/03 9:35:50 PM
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I see so what is the universal cause?
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Post #89,916
3/20/03 9:51:32 PM
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Read Job
God (of Abraham) react not kindly to hubris.
And, he need not explain Himself. I am that I am.
Shalom.
-drl
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Post #89,951
3/20/03 11:48:11 PM
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No universal cause
There is no single universal cause of anti-Semitism.
Xenophobia, history and religion all conspire against the Jews, along with a hoard of lesser reasons. Xenophobia is the hatred of anything different, and the Jews have almost always been set off as a seperate group, either by choice or mandate.
History works against the Jews in several ways. The biggest is that anti-Semitism has existed so long and been so wide spread it can't easily be removed now. But the where also hurt by being scattered into so many small groups, so they never had the numbers or power to be a major force. And prior to that they suffered because they where almost always stuck between larger more powerful empires that wanted to get through the area.
Religion also gets them in several ways. The largest being inherent conflict between Christian and Jewish beliefs. Their religion also works to keep them set apart from the people around them, though this usually don't take the virulant strain of the author of that article.
The current actions of the Isreali state are doing nothing to help the repuation of Jews either.
Jay
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Post #89,940
3/20/03 11:21:16 PM
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Re: Serious ego problem
When the non-Jew encounters the Jew, he is, consciously or subconsciously, struck by a richness of spirit, a depth of living, a resonance of eternity and an echo of the divine that is not easily described, but very palpable. There is something about the Jew that is larger than life, and the non-Jew feels it, sometimes more acutely than the Jew.
On several occasions, I've been the honored gentile at various functions - for example, the Seder - twice. Once was a wonderful experience and a great honor, and I met a girl to whom I might easily be married in another world (a better one). The other involved listening to the yentas of Suburbia bitch at the moral shortcomings of the homeless - after enough glasses of festive wine I could no longer listen to this barrage and left in a huff.
In other words, it's just the usual shit. Last year with my Catholic friends at Christmas, my best buddie's brother got pissy again and started bitching for the second straight year. Poor Stephie, she went to such trouble for her brothers!
I am very lucky - all religions welcome me :)
-drl
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Post #90,074
3/21/03 1:37:23 PM
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I gotta agree.
So, all I have to do is convert and I too can have this "richness of spirit, a depth of living, a resonance of eternity and an echo of the divine that is not easily described, but very palpable."
Isn't Dr. Laura Jewish (by conversion)?
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Post #90,206
3/21/03 11:07:08 PM
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No you would still be an obnoxios ahole
but a Jewish one as well :-) Think religious Jews, much like charismaic catholics or Russian Old style. He is speaking about haridi.
thanx,
bill
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Post #90,257
3/22/03 12:03:00 AM
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Stop knocking khasim everyone!
He is logical, and he wins - so don't use logic. Don't get pissed off - get even!
How for example does Mr. Logic Person explain my precog?
Brandioch is way all right. He's my Secretary of Defense.
-drl
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Post #90,259
3/22/03 12:04:39 AM
3/22/03 12:05:22 AM
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whose knocking him? I miss im when hes gone(typo)
and I mostly miss him when he's here:-)
thanx,
bill
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To a lot of people in California hunting anything but the wild tofualope was equivelent to sacarificing babies to satan. S.M. Stirling
Edited by boxley
March 22, 2003, 12:05:22 AM EST
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Post #90,284
3/22/03 12:39:13 AM
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Hey, you're Sec'y of State
-drl
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Post #90,681
3/23/03 12:15:32 PM
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Only on planet Brandioch.
Damn, it's hard to tell when you people are kidding.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
No oil for TotalFinaElf!
CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere!
Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives.
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Post #90,706
3/23/03 1:25:42 PM
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I'd corner the market on character.
So, all I have to do is find the right Jewish faction and join that.
I'd be an asshole, but I'd have "a richness of spirit, a depth of living, a resonance of eternity and an echo of the divine that is not easily described, but very palpable".
"Yeah, he's an asshole, but he somehow resonates with eternity."
"I know. That asshole has a depth of living that is sooooo palpable, but I find it hard to describe."
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Post #91,107
3/24/03 4:13:50 PM
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Well.. to be 'fair'
You'd find that some Rabbis have pretty well grokked Aristotel too ;-)
Three blind people - a Jesuit, a Rabbi and a Mullah walked into a bar and
You can't lick the system -- but you can certainly give it a damned good fondling.... Rick Moen
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Post #91,191
3/24/03 8:54:40 PM
3/24/03 8:55:21 PM
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Slight Change
Liberals say:
"When the Reactionary encounters the Liberal, he is, consciously or subconsciously, struck by a richness of spirit, a depth of living, a resonance of eternity and an echo of the divine that is not easily described, but very palpable. There is something about the Liberal that is larger than life, and the Reactionary feels it, sometimes more acutely than the Liberal."
Reactionaries say:
"LIBRULS SUCK!"
-drl
Edited by deSitter
March 24, 2003, 08:55:21 PM EST
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Post #92,033
3/26/03 9:09:19 PM
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'Sucking' is itself a Reaction-ary kinda thing
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Post #89,936
3/20/03 11:04:01 PM
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A Japanese proverb explains:
"If a nail sticks out, hammer it down!"
And it's true for all, Jews and non-Jews alike.
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #89,949
3/20/03 11:46:41 PM
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But we are very stubborn nails :)
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Post #90,685
3/23/03 12:26:39 PM
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The Jews are the world's scapegoat.
It's mostly projection, motivated by envy. The medieval Jews had better hygeine than the medieval Catholics, so their resistance to plagues was thought to be a pact woth the Devil. The Jews have better business sense than most gentiles, and a better work ethic than Catholics, so they're presumed to be cheaters and chiselers.
No, it's not a unique case, just a rare phenonenon. The Americans are the Jews of the postmodern age. We get blamed for everything, especially the things we do right. Why, the Islamists sometimes even call us Jews! Another instance: the early Christians, under Roman persecution. Also, arguably, the Bab's folowers in Iran a while back.
Envy is a ugly thing. It's one third of the Leftist syndrome, the other parts being jealousy and millenial historicism. Actually, the historicism more or less died with the collapse of Soviet Communism. But the other two are well in place, and their manifestations are anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.
The real bad news for the Left is this: we may be Jews of this age, but we're not going quietly to the gas chambers.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
No oil for TotalFinaElf!
CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere!
Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives.
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Post #91,944
3/26/03 4:46:55 PM
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It's bullsh*t
People simply dislike anything different. Look at Yugoslavia and compare its disintegration to Checkeslovakia (sp?). Even if you're in the same group, if you show characteristics outside that group, you'll be spurned, reviled etc. But should a threat to both groups appear, then the groups will gel together (qv WW2) temporarily.
The Jews maintained themselves as seperate, therefore they were subject to this effect. It's not their fault and it's not the oppressors' faults; it's simply human nature. This does not excuse the behaviour, though. Now we've recognised it, we can act on it, BUT it requires effort and consideration on BOTH sides. If you're a Jew and join a Christian organisation you need to accept that sometimes you may be asked to work on a Saturday but will have Sunday off; equally, if you're a Christian and join a Jewish organisation, you need to accept that sometimes you may be asked to work on a Sunday but will have Saturday off. If you as a Moslem manager recruit a Christian you need to explain to them beforehand that Friday is the main day off, not Sunday, AND they need to check this with you too. And vice versa.
Conversely, if you find yourself in a particular situation by necessity, don't bleat but try and work your way around it and if that's not possible, then remind yourself that it was your decision in the first place and bear responsibility for that decision.
qts
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Post #91,990
3/26/03 8:23:53 PM
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Hell, Bill, that's obvious.
Jews, rightly or wrongly, have the reputation of being smarter than the average bear. Nothing breeds contempt like a feeling (justified or otherwise) of inferiority.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #91,993
3/26/03 8:26:12 PM
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shoot I thought it was our long schlongs
Thats why the blacks hate us.
thanx,
bill
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Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
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Post #91,995
3/26/03 8:30:30 PM
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You mean shmucks? :)
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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Post #92,049
3/26/03 9:22:03 PM
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Sorry, you DON'T have that reputation. ;-)
bcnu,
Mikem
Osama bin Laden's brother could fly in US airspace 9/15/01, but I had to wait for FBI and CIA background checks, 'nuff said?
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Post #92,061
3/26/03 9:45:00 PM
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I KNOW I dont, but the generalization is there :)
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Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
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