Post #89,796
3/20/03 1:46:07 PM
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But when it's all over..
Who are they going to come asking for help to get out of problems... not the UN.
b4k4^2
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Post #89,799
3/20/03 1:48:14 PM
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When our economy is utterly ruined..
..they won't need us, because we'll have nothing to offer.
-drl
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Post #89,804
3/20/03 1:59:42 PM
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Does the economy really matter here?
NO.
It is not about the economy, it is not about what we do or don't have to offer.
It is very interesting that you fail to realize that if we just Stuck to ourselves... and REALLY did... the WORLD would be FUCKED by the likes of North Korea *AND* Saddam Hussy! And Israel would probably be the Bully in the neighborhood... 100 times more so than they are now.
France... HAS no real ability to fight off the like of Saddam...
Britian MAY, but being hamstrung the way the parliament works... well...
Germany is STILL trying to make a name for itself after the Wall fell... it still is far worse off than they lead on...
I am a betting man, I'd wager the US economy blasts off in as little as four weeks. Then the world to similarly come out of it's BOG... War has an effect that *IS* positive in this light... but it isn't the right reason to GOTO war.
b4k4^2
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Post #89,806
3/20/03 2:06:09 PM
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It's the only thing that matters in the end
There is no danger to the US from the pitiful shell known as Saddam. The danger to us is internal - self-inflicted destruction of our way of life based on paranoia and shadow projection onto imaginary bogey men.
You seem to have no confidence in Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but plenty of confidence in greasing our tank treads with Saddam's entrails.
-drl
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Post #89,810
3/20/03 2:28:24 PM
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I believe in Truth, Justice and the American way...
But I'll allow you your version of it... will you allow me mine?
I'd say grease every tanks tracks with entrails from Cruel Dictators... might prevent one of them from becoming one...
And, don't you EVER DARE call me ANTI-AMERICAN.
b4k4^2
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Post #89,813
3/20/03 2:36:56 PM
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Re: I believe in Truth, Justice and the American way...
If you believe the way to solve every problem is with a large standing army, the Jefferson himself would call you anti-American, and bitch slap you too.
-drl
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Post #89,818
3/20/03 2:44:46 PM
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Never did say that...
Never will say that...
What I did intimate, Dictatorships are typically Cruel and unusual punishmnet for most subject of it.
Now, being the Neighborhood "constable" is what everyone now uses us for. Why not then should we "proactively" deal with proven problems before they become a problem that affects us.
A standing Army did wonders for 50 years... as either side can say. We just had and still have more stamina.
Do we really need to go down the post-cold war discussion again?
b4k4^2
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Post #89,820
3/20/03 2:50:05 PM
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Re: Never did say that...
The Americans have been lied to over and over again - they now believe that Sodamn was directly responsible for 9/11 - and that gives them the moral right for this war. We are supporting a war for an imaginary reason planted in our heads by state-sponsored propaganda organs. There is no difference even in principle with the Wehrmacht blasting into Poland looking for Lebensraum, when the German people had been convinced it was to "protect German borders from Communists and anarchists."
Jefferson's argument against a large standing army is being made by Bush - that a mentally unstable man would wield it to his own ends.
-drl
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Post #89,807
3/20/03 2:08:39 PM
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I agree - I suspect the economy to improve...
I am a betting man, I'd wager the US economy blasts off in as little as four weeks. Then the world to similarly come out of it's BOG... War has an effect that *IS* positive in this light... but it isn't the right reason to GOTO war.
Unforuately, I still believe this war has it's basis in the oil and the economy rather than the any desire to "protect" America. (Otherwise, Bush wouldn't have been so concerned about the oil wells.)
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Post #89,852
3/20/03 5:12:33 PM
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I see a boost happening.
Exports.
Well, exporting "experts" at rebuilding Iraq.
Which means that the US will be getting Iraqi oil money.
Which will help our economy.
Short term.
I don't see much else happening. Too many things are too far gone with our economy right now.
Those oil bucks will NOT be filtering down to the average US citizen. Instead, they'll conglomorate where the other money is.
Also, there's STILL the threat from North Korea and Iran
-and-
The uncertainty of US interests in the mid-east after this. Look at the riots happening already.
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Post #89,903
3/20/03 8:56:56 PM
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Say it to the hand... cause the face don't wanna know...
There are many indicators that are pointing at a backend splitting at the seams... just waiting for that little nudge...
I think that nudge *IS* happening..
b4k4^2
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Post #91,178
3/24/03 7:56:46 PM
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What do you want to wager?
And what benchmark do you want to use for the bet?
Not the stock market please, it will pop when the war is over. Heck, it pops at the thought that the war might not be as long as thought.
But come up with a measurement we can agree on and a reasonable thing to bet, and you're on. Because I think you are out to lunch on this one.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #89,800
3/20/03 1:48:35 PM
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Yeah...cause Canada has been in a whole lotta probs recently
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Post #89,858
3/20/03 5:32:50 PM
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Ummm... ask yourself
"when was the last time Canada came to the US asking for help for our problems?"
I should point out that the last time we disagreed with the US on a major foreign policy/security issue was the Vietnam war. Perhaps food for thought?
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Post #89,905
3/20/03 8:59:45 PM
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Alienation or Alien-Nation?
Sorry.
Mind you Jack, nothing against you...
b4k4^2
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Post #89,910
3/20/03 9:28:29 PM
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Sorry, I don't get it.
You said above wrt Canada not agreeing with the US: \r\n\r\n Who are they going to come asking for help to get out of problems... not the UN. \r\n\r\n So, I asked you the last time we asked you for help on "getting out of a problem". I wanted to see if you could name one, as I can't remember the last time we asked the US for military help. Perhaps WWII? We were in there some two years or so before you were; I'd not be surprised if Mackenzie King encouraged Roosevelt to hop on in... not that it was Roosevelt that needed convincing. \r\n\r\n I also pointed out the last time we disagreed with you on military matters (Vietnam). In another post, I've pointed that out in more detail, including specifically pointing out two times that the current government DID work with you militarily in the recent past (Afghanistan and Kosovo)... in short, you certainly can't accuse the Chretien gov't of opposing US military action "just because", and suggested you consider the reason why Canada is objecting this time. --\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca *\r\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca] [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\r\n* Kingston Ontario Canada [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post #89,911
3/20/03 9:34:39 PM
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The last time was during the 76 crisis, tanks were
lined up at que border. They were to be towed across by canadian troops as American troops could not be allowed to drive them in. Twas a bit dicey around there then. There was general fear of an armed inssurection, It was also he time the war powers act was passed allowing canadians to be incarcerated without a charge and held for 6 months incommunicado. I dont know if it has ever been specifically recinded.
thanx,
bill
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Post #89,915
3/20/03 9:47:31 PM
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Ah, the October Crisis
Right. So, we asked for equipment once.
As for the War Measures Act, it has long been out of the law as it is unconstitutional under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, enacted in 1980. For any Canadian history buffs out there (and I know you're out there;), it was the same PM that invoked the War Measures Act in '70 (not '76 Box... you must have it confused with the Montreal Olympics;) that tossed it forever by enacting the Charter, which also marked the end of even any formalistic connection with British Parliament. The Constitutional Act of 1980 (of which the Charter was a part) replaced the British North America of 1876 that marked the founding of the Dominion of Canada. The sole remaining legal connection between Canada and Britain is that the monarch is formally Canada's head of state, though in more practical terms the head of state is the Governer General of Canada.
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