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Post #89,790
by folkert
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3/20/03 1:26:57 PM
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New Okay how long? When to draw the line?
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Post #89,791
by deSitter
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3/20/03 1:28:24 PM
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New Re: Okay how long? When to draw the line?
Like a good neighbor, husband, friend, classmate, hospital roomie, you work things out. It's simple deceny and civilized behavior.
-drl
Post #89,794
by folkert
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3/20/03 1:41:55 PM
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New Yep. I like that too... BUT...
Saddam wasn't co-operating... the others were not seeing that 12 years was an inordinate amount of time...

The UN is in-effective as of 2130 EST March 19, 2003. They can't even agree to disagree and move along on *A* path... some of the members don't even care *WHAT* is going on... *IN* Iraq.

That time and date was the beginning of the end of the UN. Some may argue it was in 1998.

Pretty soon, it'll be "good" ole colonialism setting in...

If you think it wasn't about Saddam it wasn't... it is about UN not being able to resolve anything and enforce it.
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Post #89,795
by deSitter
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3/20/03 1:43:46 PM
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New Re: Yep. I like that too... BUT...
No one likes Saddam - no one, not the French, Russians, Chinese, East Timorese, Ivory Coastians, Senegalese, Tuvans.

It could have been worked out.

We suck.
-drl
Post #89,803
by folkert
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3/20/03 1:51:48 PM
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New Nope...
When in the course of human events... has there EVER been an agreement to go to War?

Let's see... WWII... it *US* getting attacked by a third party to get us to connect...

Let's see... WWI... similar.

When France and Germany get Terrorist attack at them on the scale and magnitude we did... heck even Uzbehcistan(sp) knows how badly coutries cannot get along...

Unfortuneately WE will be able to take care of the problem before they would have gotten "involved"... it's ashame.

b4k4^2
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"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
Post #89,797
by deSitter
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3/20/03 1:47:09 PM
3/20/03 1:47:30 PM
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New ..also..
Here's an answer for you - how we fucked even Blair:

[link|http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/bookman/|http://www.accessatl.../opinion/bookman/]
-drl
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Post #89,815
by Brandioch
3/20/03 2:39:49 PM
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New When he attacks another country.
Until that point is reached, we act like civilized adults.
Post #89,822
by folkert
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3/20/03 2:55:30 PM
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New Okay...
So when the Police tell you that they cannot do anything about your Missing Daughter for 72 hours... YOU act like a civilized Adult, right?

Or you see a Timer counting down through your window in the Garage next door... and also see 2 Tons of Explosives there... You call the police and they say they cannot do anything about it until they have probable cause... You of course act like a civized adult. The bomb then goes off... destroying your house and two blocks around.

You see a guy brandishing a Squad Automatic Weapon with belts of ammo strapped to him on his porch... with a determined look on his face... You call the police... they say he has a Permit fo the weapon... but won't do anything untill *SOMETHING* happens... Did I mention this person JUST HAPPENS to live next to you... You act like a civilized adult. He then attacks and kills your wife because she came home and happen to drive in front of his house...

I can come up many more situations where the circumstances are the same...
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Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
Post #89,827
by Brandioch
3/20/03 3:13:47 PM
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New Your analogy fails.
So when the Police tell you that they cannot do anything about your Missing Daughter for 72 hours... YOU act like a civilized Adult, right?
So......

Police == UN (I think)

Missing Daughter == what?

72 hours == more time for inspections?

Or you see a Timer counting down through your window in the Garage next door... and also see 2 Tons of Explosives there...
Okay, if someone puts explosives on my house, that is an attack.

Saddam has NOT attacked any other country in the past 12 years.

When he DOES, we can invade.

You see a guy brandishing a Squad Automatic Weapon with belts of ammo strapped to him on his porch... with a determined look on his face... You call the police... they say he has a Permit fo the weapon... but won't do anything untill *SOMETHING* happens... Did I mention this person JUST HAPPENS to live next to you... You act like a civilized adult. He then attacks and kills your wife because she came home and happen to drive in front of his house...
Where do YOU live?

If the guy next door HAS such a weapon...

LEGALLY

Okay, Saddam is LEGALLY allowed (by the UN) to stockpile automatic weapons and ammo and grenades and rockets.

He is NOT allowed to have nukes or chem-bio weapons.

It has NOT been shown that he has those.

I can come up many more situations where the circumstances are the same...
Maybe to you they are the same.

You're all over the place in your analogies.

#1. Missing Daughter, are you suggesting that I start shooting up the neighborhood until someone tells me where she is?

#2. Explosives and timer, this is an illegal act, committed by someone who has crossed my property line. This would be the same as if Saddam had invaded Kuwait. And what did we do then?

#3. Legally owned weapon but owner is behaving erratically in public. This would be the same as if Saddam had organized his troops on the border of a nation that was NOT threatening him. In which case, the threatened nation would, logically, dig in its troops to provide maximum defense in case of attack.

And I would call my wife and tell her to NOT come home 'cause the neighbor went crazy and I would join her at a hotel downtown. If he shoots up the house, I get the insurance money and he gets years in jail. If I arrange it correctly, I'd even get HIS house as part of the settlement.
Post #89,842
by folkert
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3/20/03 4:41:03 PM
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New My analogy does not fail...
...your reading of the text has failed...

Too bad... I indeed feel sorry for your wife. I can see that you don't have a logical mind when it come to understanding examples... you, you just take them literally.
b4k4^2
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[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
Post #89,846
by Brandioch
3/20/03 4:48:24 PM
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New Your analogies failed. I'm NOT married.
Too bad... I indeed feel sorry for your wife. I can see that you don't have a logical mind when it come to understanding examples... you, you just take them literally.
No, I was showing where your analogies failed.

I even numbered them and showed you where they were inaccurate.

Your "justification" depends upon a false dichotomy.

Either we invade Iraq NOW
-or-
We withdraw the inspectors and remove the sanctions and do nothing at all.

I pointed out that this was flawed because the options are NOT

INVADE
-or-
Do nothing

There are LOTS of options that do NOT require an invasion.

Just as you didn't understand that a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" was NOT the same as a rocket.
     Hmmm... portrail and justification - (folkert) - (31) - March 20, 2003, 09:17:25 AM EST
         That hasn't been shown yet... - (admin) - (30) - March 20, 2003, 10:18:25 AM EST
             It should also be pointed out - (jake123) - (29) - March 20, 2003, 11:07:26 AM EST
                 Except - (admin) - March 20, 2003, 11:09:58 AM EST
                 Agreed... - (folkert) - (27) - March 20, 2003, 11:13:13 AM EST
                     Sarcasm aside - (jake123) - (4) - March 20, 2003, 12:26:38 PM EST
                         I'm not sure what points you are addressing... - (admin) - (1) - March 20, 2003, 12:43:44 PM EST
                             Sorry, I'm probably coming on a bit strong - (jake123) - March 20, 2003, 06:05:50 PM EST
                         But ... SCUDS? - (folkert) - (1) - March 20, 2003, 12:58:58 PM EST
                             Re: homes - (jake123) - March 20, 2003, 06:05:13 PM EST
                     That's why I find euphemisms so disgusting. - (Brandioch) - (21) - March 20, 2003, 12:40:12 PM EST
                         BUT 12 EFFING YEARS? - (folkert) - (20) - March 20, 2003, 01:15:36 PM EST
                             Re: BUT 12 EFFING YEARS? - (deSitter) - (11) - March 20, 2003, 01:25:55 PM EST
                                 Okay how long? When to draw the line? -NT - (folkert) - (10) - March 20, 2003, 01:26:57 PM EST
                                     Re: Okay how long? When to draw the line? - (deSitter) - (4) - March 20, 2003, 01:28:24 PM EST
                                         Yep. I like that too... BUT... - (folkert) - (3) - March 20, 2003, 01:41:55 PM EST
                                             Re: Yep. I like that too... BUT... - (deSitter) - (1) - March 20, 2003, 01:43:46 PM EST
                                                 Nope... - (folkert) - March 20, 2003, 01:51:48 PM EST
                                             ..also.. - (deSitter) - March 20, 2003, 01:47:30 PM EST
                                     When he attacks another country. - (Brandioch) - (4) - March 20, 2003, 02:39:49 PM EST
                                         Okay... - (folkert) - (3) - March 20, 2003, 02:55:30 PM EST
                                             Your analogy fails. - (Brandioch) - (2) - March 20, 2003, 03:13:47 PM EST
                                                 My analogy does not fail... - (folkert) - (1) - March 20, 2003, 04:41:03 PM EST
                                                     Your analogies failed. I'm NOT married. - (Brandioch) - March 20, 2003, 04:48:24 PM EST
                             I assume then that for 12 years you have been shouting this? - (Silverlock) - (1) - March 20, 2003, 02:12:34 PM EST
                                 I haven't been as overt about this aspect... - (folkert) - March 20, 2003, 02:34:17 PM EST
                             Why not? He has NOT attacked any other country. - (Brandioch) - (5) - March 20, 2003, 02:38:39 PM EST
                                 True... - (folkert) - (4) - March 20, 2003, 03:03:17 PM EST
                                     You claim we are raising Iraq? - (Brandioch) - (2) - March 20, 2003, 03:18:45 PM EST
                                         We help them when ... - (folkert) - (1) - March 20, 2003, 04:42:52 PM EST
                                             "We help them when ... it is against our beliefs..." - (Brandioch) - March 20, 2003, 04:49:57 PM EST
                                     Re: True... - (jake123) - March 20, 2003, 06:27:38 PM EST

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