Mou droog, I respectfully disagree...

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3/18/03 9:18:05 PM

Mou droog, I respectfully disagree...

With a number of your stated positions. Primarily the assumption that we will be hated more or less no matter what happens with Iraq.
I was in Germany in the early 80's (France too) for just shy of 3 years, with many German friends and acquaintances. They "hated" our government then (probably rightfully so). What is happening now is a shameless exhibition of we aren't joining this bandwagon 'cause we can't afford the reconstruction. We don't want you there because of the oil. Mind numbing hypocrisy on all sides.

As far as the Democrat thing, it was alluding to his original premise of wagging the dog, a purely political innuendo. Opportunistic too!

I truly have grepped many of the headlines, parsed them and piped them to my own conclusions, and, unfortunately for our current discourse, humbly agree with the US position. If that makes me an apologist for the current crop, so be it.

I highly respect you and many of the others who post on this board, but wonder if maybe you aren't being a tad reactionary and joining the counter-cabal yourselves. A possibillity?

Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

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misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me

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Post #89,339

3/18/03 11:57:16 PM

In simplest terms then - bringing this 'off'

would require a degree of genuine ability + wisdom.. of the calibre of a Gandhi or at least a Disraeli; it would require going to the root of the Problem, simultaneously with fdisking Iraq and installing mental s/ware from scratch:

Giving sufficient teeth to the World Court to intercede, create a territory for the Palestinians and discipline both sides while they get used to the fact that Neither shall force the other into the sea.

Yes, this last would require more than just 'US Will' - but it would require that First and backed by serious and competent intent.. and then the suasion which diplomacy means: that for which we have substituted harangues and naked threat to 'allies'.

Absent both the will and the intellect to accomplish the latter (Isr/Pal), the former (Iraq) shall IMhO next.. remind a whole new US generation of The Uncle Remus Stories, in partiicular The Tar Baby.

May your faith not be misplaced; we witness a Dubya never before seen or deemed possible + beneficent Wonderfulness transforming people who have never *seen* 'democratic representation' -- mostly converting to Charismatic Christianity and building Corporations. Well franchises, maybe. and shopping. shopping A Lot.

It Could Happen.

Ashton

interesting "Fresh Air" today - (rcareaga) - (32) - March 17, 2003, 10:30:35 PM EST

Um... - (ben_tilly) - (31) - March 17, 2003, 10:38:50 PM EST

Re: Um... - (rcareaga) - (29) - March 17, 2003, 10:46:53 PM EST

Very telling... - (screamer) - (28) - March 18, 2003, 09:55:41 AM EST

Your logic is wrong - (ben_tilly) - March 18, 2003, 10:23:59 AM EST

Re: Very telling... - (rcareaga) - (26) - March 18, 2003, 10:33:49 AM EST

Carrying this a bit further... - (screamer) - (25) - March 18, 2003, 11:56:23 AM EST

you're assuming *way* too much - (rcareaga) - (13) - March 18, 2003, 01:25:40 PM EST

Very fair assessment... - (screamer) - (3) - March 18, 2003, 03:57:36 PM EST

Eschewing obfuscation, then_____ 'Democrats' indeed! - (Ashton) - (2) - March 18, 2003, 06:49:18 PM EST

Mou droog, I respectfully disagree... - (screamer) - (1) - March 18, 2003, 09:18:05 PM EST

In simplest terms then - bringing this 'off' - (Ashton) - March 18, 2003, 11:57:16 PM EST

Been down this slippery track with this person before - (dmarker) - (8) - March 18, 2003, 04:43:23 PM EST

Add one more thing, Dougie... - (screamer) - (7) - March 18, 2003, 05:33:28 PM EST

He HAD answered that, even BEFORE you asked! - (CRConrad) - (1) - March 18, 2003, 05:43:10 PM EST

Avoiding the flames forum... - (screamer) - March 18, 2003, 09:26:54 PM EST

Re: Add one more thing, Dougie... - (rcareaga) - (4) - March 18, 2003, 08:26:03 PM EST

he's not a "seasoned brawler" Thor God of Flaming thunder! -NT - (boxley) - March 18, 2003, 08:37:21 PM EST

Let's start again then. - (screamer) - March 18, 2003, 09:31:31 PM EST

P.S. Dimestore words like interlocutors... - (screamer) - (1) - March 18, 2003, 09:46:04 PM EST

Well, when correctly spelled, then - - (Ashton) - March 20, 2003, 06:55:30 AM EST

Why the US won't attack countries with nukes - (ben_tilly) - (10) - March 18, 2003, 04:05:41 PM EST

Re: Why the US won't attack countries with nukes - (deSitter) - (3) - March 18, 2003, 04:09:31 PM EST

Conventional Western Wisdom holds... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - March 18, 2003, 04:17:17 PM EST

US current global strategy has China already contained ... - (dmarker) - March 18, 2003, 05:00:19 PM EST

Digression -- Khrushchev - (rcareaga) - March 18, 2003, 05:26:03 PM EST

Using same logic, what about bio/chem weapons? - (screamer) - (4) - March 18, 2003, 05:10:39 PM EST

I'd dispute that getting bio/chem weapons are easier to get - (jake123) - March 18, 2003, 05:25:05 PM EST

Bio/Chem won't have the same impact as nukes. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - March 18, 2003, 05:27:23 PM EST

Basically agree with you and Jake except - (screamer) - (1) - March 18, 2003, 05:40:40 PM EST

Re: Basically agree with you and Jake except - (jake123) - March 18, 2003, 06:06:22 PM EST

'Immanent' - a Jungian typo ? ;-) - (Ashton) - March 18, 2003, 06:06:07 PM EST

There was a piece on BBC World Service a day or two ago - (jake123) - March 17, 2003, 10:48:13 PM EST

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