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New Another historian chimes in
[link|http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson031403.asp|Time to wean the world]

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Yet the American people are growing tired of this notion of "it makes sense in the long run." And perhaps they are right since this entire old way of doing business \ufffd treaties, alliances, bases, deployments, arms credit, special aid packages \ufffd and indeed our very mentality of coalition building are all part of a world gone by, one predicated on the old bipolar rivalry with the Soviet Union and finally blown to bits by 9/11.

Building coalitions, crafting containment, surrounding enemies \ufffd all that Dullesque globe-trotting presupposes the need to corral a monstrous nuclear Soviet Union when our present foes are in fact more diverse, weaker, and insidious, our allies no longer allies by any classical definition, and our friends opportunistic rather than benevolent. The only drama left in the looming Iraqi war is whether France & Co. will smile or at least remain mute on news of American losses...

What the United States should seek is a sort of military autonomy, a muscular disengagement that lessens dependence on other mercurial and conniving countries and yet allows us strategic flexibility \ufffd and, yes, the freedom to move in the interest of freedom-loving peoples abroad who wish to act in concert with us. We should prefer a series of bilateral arrangements and a new tactical doctrine that does privilege "exit strategy" but simply states that the purpose of all (rare) U.S. interventions is military victory and the political will to define and then ensure such an outcome. Removal of a fascist like Saddam Hussein from Kuwait or stripping him of weapons of mass destruction both have exit strategies, but will never solve the problem of Iraqi state support for terrorism \ufffd him! \ufffd until the regime is defeated, humiliated, and removed.

I say:

The 20th century is so over.
The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board.
No oil for TotalFinaElf!
CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere!
Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives.
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New So... what do you want to replace it?
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New I can't help but note that there has been no reply to this
question.
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New What, you expected one?
Moron^h^h^h^h^hMarlowe can't be expected to reply to anything that contains truth - he's allergic to it.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
New Well, the thing is
that it was an opportunity for him to display something constructive; a vision of how the world ought to operate. Even if first principles were not included in his description, it would be possible to figure out what they were.

Marlowe seems very good at positing actions as good, but has not provided a conceptual framework at why they are good. Even if the conceptual framework is naked self interest (New Imperial America), having one would at least give a context by which one could judge prescriptions.

I wanted to see what his statement of faith wrt good international order was. I suspect the reason he hasn't provided one is because it would reveal the profoundly undemocratic nature of his political articles of faith.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
     OpEd+Marx and Hegel! Say goodbye to the century of fantasy - (marlowe) - (13)
         Say goodbye to the century of fantasy - (rcareaga) - (1)
             hey Viega, the only fantasy is that the last century - (boxley)
         Just to make EVERYTHING clear here. - (Brandioch) - (2)
             What part of "Manifest Destiny" part 2 do you not grok? :0 -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 "Part 2"? :) How many variations on that theme can you name? - (Brandioch)
         'fantasy worlds' - !!! - Hmmmm - (dmarker) - (1)
             Aw, did I hurt your feelings? -NT - (marlowe)
         Another historian chimes in - (marlowe) - (4)
             So... what do you want to replace it? -NT - (jake123) - (3)
                 I can't help but note that there has been no reply to this - (jake123) - (2)
                     What, you expected one? - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                         Well, the thing is - (jake123)
         I have to agree with the author - (Arkadiy)

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