Post #85,757
3/5/03 12:04:29 PM
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Headhunter vs Principal
Last month I interviewed at a local defense contractor, with the interview arranged but head hunter 'A'. At the time 'A' had an exclusive on the posting [spotted it on Geekfinder / Dice].
The interview went well [or so I thought] several technical sessions, ending with an executive discussing salary requirements. Later, there were apparently a couple of conversations betwwen the principal and head hunter 'A' - apparently I was still in the running.
This week, there were postings for the position from the principal [Monster] and other head hunters [net-temps, careerBuilder]
Would it be a breach of [etiquitte / common sense] to contact the principal directly?
What sort of problems are involved - what does the head hunter's deal with the principal typicaly do to restrict the actions of the job seeker?
Dave Levitt
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Post #85,758
3/5/03 12:12:01 PM
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Depends on what you've signed.
If you signed anything, you're probably prevented from applying directly without Headhunter A's permission. Check with the headhunter, let him know the situation, ask how things are going, and if the guy decided not to go with him, ask for permission (and get it in writing!) to apply directly.
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Post #85,759
3/5/03 12:12:22 PM
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Re: Headhunter vs Principal
It would be unfair to the principal, who would have to hang up on you to protect himself.
Look at it this way - if this HH has survived this long, he must be good :) You're far better off building a close relationship with a quality agent than doing what you're thinking of doing.
One good thing about dot.bomb is the weed-out effect it's had on PC jockies, headhunters, and Micros~3 slaves.
-drl
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Post #85,771
3/5/03 12:24:48 PM
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The headhunter got you the interview
It is how he makes his living. Going around him direct to the employer, and if the priciple would agree to it would show both an employee and an employer whose loyalty might be questionable. Not being personal here, just my opinion. thanx, bill
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Post #85,787
3/5/03 1:10:16 PM
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Also
If you do go to the employer directly, you stand a very good chance of losing both the position and the HH. Most companies have contracts with the HH and will discard any applications received (on the same person) from all other sources. And may even discard the original. (Experience learned the hard way...)
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Post #85,789
3/5/03 1:17:29 PM
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Yep, seconded
It's even worse - if you simply shop your resume to all local comers in a desperate attempt to land a job, you'll just get blacklisted by all of them.
-drl
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Post #85,810
3/5/03 3:02:17 PM
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Ditto, And More
Through a manager I worked for, I KNOW of at least one large employer who will discard your resume faster than you can say BOO!, if they receive a duplicate (one HH, one principal).
Also, be careful not to apply for multiple positions at one company at the same time, either. Many will discard you even if you post for two jobs through the same channel.
Also, be careful about posting resumes to companies your current employer does business with. Many companies have "no steal" agreements that they will not steal employees from a client, or from a vendor written into their purchase contracts.
The larger, unionized, miltiaristic companies tend to be the most strict about these kinds of rules. Smaller companies tend to be more flexible.
The employers never tell you about these things, but be assured, they are there.
Glen Austin
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Post #85,938
3/6/03 12:49:50 AM
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Re: Headhunter vs Principal
The way I've seen it work, the source of a candidate is logged and timestamped. If first contact was made through a particular headhunter, that headhunter gets the commission, no matter how many other copies of the resume, direct or via other headhunters, arrive later.
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Post #86,324
3/6/03 11:10:38 PM
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Until...
One of the later HH's submitting your resume demands to be paid a comission, and threatens to sue.
Rather than fight him in court, they discard the candidate completely, and choose someone else.
Especially with the job market the way it is right now. HR doesn't want any hassles.
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Post #86,000
3/6/03 9:50:37 AM
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Some random late adds...
The issue is more one of the prospect's obligations than yours -- as\r\nseveral people have intimated, the source of a candidate is indicated\r\nand retained. If the employer bypasses the HH, they're liable for at\r\nbest a very cool relationship, and possibly a "finders fee", which\r\nusually works out to a significant chunk of first-year salary (10% - 40%\r\nis a typical range, 1/3 wouldn't be out of hand). \r\n\r\n Most companies retain resumes for a number of years, I think two is\r\ntypical. Some of this is legally mandated, and it's likely you can surf\r\nyour local bookstore's Nolo Press selection on employment law to find\r\nout what this is (the HR department is likely reading the same or\r\nsimilar sources). This means that you likely can't approach an\r\nemployer independently for a number of years after going to them through\r\na headhunter. This is among the reasons I consider my HH placements\r\ncarefully. If you submit through a flake, you're possibly closing off a\r\npotential avenue for you, for a number of years. \r\n\r\n Note that even within the HH field, the contact accounting can be\r\nsignificant. I used to work through an account manager at Firm A who's\r\nnow working through Firm B, though I had communicated (four years ago)\r\nwith another person at Firm B. This came up in conversations with my\r\nprior manager when I was talking with him in my recent job search. \r\n\r\n Your best employment bet is still personal references. I've\r\nlanded about half my own jobs via same. Random headhunter placements\r\nhave been among my worst experiences, HH placements with whom I've had\r\nan existing relationship (e.g.: body shop) tend to be better. There\r\nare a number of firms whose past practices have insured I'll never work\r\nthrough them (That "you'll never work in this town" speech is a real\r\nreputation killer, Hall Kinion -- even if you tell it to my hires, not\r\nme. Especially if it comes from both the recruiter and the\r\nrecruiter's manager.). \r\n\r\n What can you do? Ask both the HH and the hiring\r\nmanager if they could give you an indication why the position wasn't\r\nfilled in the first round. They don't have to tell you, but they might.\r\nAnd you come across as someone who's seriously interested in\r\nthe position and on following up. The key is to phrase the question\r\nneutrally: "Any idea why the position wasn't filled / is still open?"\r\nrather than "Why didn't you hire me? / How did I fail?". \r\n
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