Post #8,462
9/11/01 10:06:06 PM
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Rather wide brush there, Phil...
Some people feel that way about Roma/Gypsies too....
I don't believe that people should be tarred with such a wide brush.
Whatever the situation in 1948, the reality now is that there are several million people living in the areas occupied by Israel since the 1967 war. They're not going away, and in fact their population is growing quite rapidly. What do you think should be done with them?
Should millions of Palestinians be condemned to squallor for even more years as punishment for the actions of a relative few militants? Do you really think Israel can have a secure existance with millions of poor, angry people on her border and working inside her borders?
I don't believe so.
If restraint doesn't apply here, as you say, then what does? What's the alternative that will give Israel a chance for peace in the next few years?
(You can regard these as rhetorical questions if you'd like, but I'd like to see your answers. Thanks.)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #8,672
9/12/01 4:24:25 PM
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Here's a question for ya.
If they're living in squalor, and they don't like it, why don't they just up and move to someplace better?
It worked for the ancestors of most American citizens. Not all to the same degree, but that only helps prove my point.
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Post #8,679
9/12/01 4:34:46 PM
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Many places won't accept them, as you know.
Lots of places have restrictions on immigration, especially on "economic" refugees. Moving isn't much of an option for them. And why should they have to leave?
And you didn't really answer my questions.
Your second comment is non sequitur, IMO. The issue isn't "overpopulation", its the fact that there's a large group of people who aren't going away. Any solution has to recognize that fact and deal with that fact in a constructive way.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #8,725
9/12/01 6:49:26 PM
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Nobody wanted the Irish in America either.
And still they came. And they're still here.
And incidentally, if nobody, literally nobody, wants them, whose fault is that? They should try to be a bit less bloodthirsty, hmmm?
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Post #8,728
9/12/01 6:58:36 PM
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And then there's the Mexican migrant workers.
Whom the border patrol are laboring mightily to keep out, but without success.
Did you even stop to think about this for two heartbeats before you decided to flame me? You're not just wrong. You're downright silly.
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Post #8,784
9/12/01 11:26:34 PM
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Um, I didn't flame you. No offense intended.
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Post #8,934
9/13/01 3:28:04 PM
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Okay. My bad.
Addison and jabberwhatever hurling ignorant scorn at me, and you standing a little too close to them. I'll try to aim more carefully in the future.
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Post #8,681
9/12/01 4:36:41 PM
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Of all the unbelieveably stupid questions...
No money, no education, no hope. Every visit one of those 3d world countries?
What are they to do? Jump on a plane, fly to Redmond and get a job as a Microsoft certified software engineer?
So, how do they "up and move"?
Where to?
And how do they support themselves once they make that move?
And where do they get the education necessary to improve their "quality of life"?
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Post #8,722
9/12/01 6:45:50 PM
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Of all the unbelievably stupid objections.
Plenty of immigrants to America had these very same problems. They managed. To get here and stay here, that is. No excuses.
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Post #8,673
9/12/01 4:28:40 PM
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Here's another one.
If they have an overpopulation problem, why don't they either use rubbers or just cut down on the screwing a bit? Both these things work for the Protestants, so what's the excuse?
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Post #8,685
9/12/01 4:44:02 PM
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yeah right, another stupid question.
Birth control of any type costs money. I was in one of these 3d world country villages a couple of years ago. At age 13 the girls were forced out of the homes, so they had to find a husband to take care of them. And husbands wanted sex. I saw girls my daughters' age carrying babies.
The boys were given the opportunity for advanced (HS) education, IF the parents could come up with the tuition. $100/YEAR. However, since that was the annual income, only the "upper class" could attend school.
So how do they pay for birth control, or prevent "screwing"?
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Post #8,726
9/12/01 6:51:49 PM
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Another stupid objection.
Condoms are cheap. And abstinence is free.
And if they'd just stop breeding like bacteria, they'd wouldn't be so poor to begin with. Duh.
If this is the best you can do, why do you even bother?
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Post #8,932
9/13/01 3:26:24 PM
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Unbelieveable
It's obvious you've never lived, nor seen this type of poverty.
I cannot discuss with you, what you cannot comprehend.
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Post #8,678
9/12/01 4:34:08 PM
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What does pertain
Short term: containment and control.
Long term: forced conversion to ideas of decency and common sense.
Your rights to self determination and cultural identity end where my nose begins.
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Post #8,683
9/12/01 4:42:17 PM
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Marlowe for Benevolent (?) Despot!
You make me laugh sometimes, "Phil". :-)
Um, how do you intend to impose your views on "decency and common sense" with respect to these issues on the other 6 B folks who share the planet with us? Hint: it's not late-1945 any more...
And you're still not answering my questions... :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #8,729
9/12/01 7:02:19 PM
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Most of the those six billion aren't a problem.
It's a few yahoo groups, such as the Palestinians, that are the issue. And I've never suggested otherwise.
And shame on you for resorting to sarcasm and misrepresentation, instead of admitting I've got a valid point which you can't answer directly.
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