Israel should have exercised restraint.

Post #8,284 by CRConrad 9/11/01 11:20:48 AM Reply	Israel should have exercised restraint. Joe, you're misunderstanding him. But then, you haven't been following IWETHEY very closely the last couple years, have you? So let me explain, please: BLuke is an immigrant (Jewish American) to Israel, who has spent the last year and a half or so defending Israel's all-out military war on Palestinian civilians. Now he was being sarcastic against those of us who've said that might not be a good thing. Apparently he doesn't realize ho misplaced that sarcasm is -- partly, in general, at a moment like this -- but, more specifically, since if it was the Palestinians wot dunn it, we've just been proven right. D'ja think if they hadn't been driven to utter desperation by a murderous military machine, they'd have even a fraction their own people's support for gruesome shit like this? I don't. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything About Slimy Demagogues
Post #8,294 by jbrabeck 9/11/01 11:41:12 AM Reply	Re: Israel should have exercised restraint. I've been reading, occassionally posting, since inception, but I never read the political or flames forums, so if that is where he has posted, I've missed it. Thanks for pointing out how easy it is to "go off the deep end" in response to a misinterpeted statement. [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,340 by bluke 9/11/01 2:37:17 PM Reply	Blame Israel It is so easy, everything that goes wrong in the world is the Jews fault. It's an old story, the Jews control the world. This is so pathetic, terrorists (or should I say militants) attack the US and it's Israel's fault.
Post #8,353 by CRConrad 9/11/01 3:04:14 PM Reply	Oh, stop being such a pathetic, whiny little prick! BLuke whinges: It is so easy, everything that goes wrong in the world is the Jews fault. If you sordid little wank-stain could only ONCE fucking ADMIT that your precious fucking Chosen People[] COULD actually, possibly, concievably, be guilty of fucking up every once in an exteremely rare while, then maybe* your stupid "everybody blames everything wrong in the world on the Jews" whine wouldn't sound quite so fucking stupid. But since you never do, it does. []: Yup, it is* ironic, innit? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #8,370 by bluke 9/11/01 3:25:57 PM Reply	I guess Durban was just a bad dream With all the problems in the world, Israel should be singled out, give me a break.
Post #8,401 by CRConrad 9/11/01 4:02:08 PM Reply	Whine, whine
Post #8,372 by bluke 9/11/01 3:26:41 PM Reply	I guess Durban was just a bad dream With all the problems in the world, Israel should be singled out, give me a break.
Post #8,402 by CRConrad 9/11/01 4:02:47 PM Reply	Whine, whine, whine
Post #8,759 by marlowe 9/12/01 10:14:18 PM Reply	Whine whine whine whine? How about you keep adding a whine until your brain explodes? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,452 by boxley 9/11/01 8:05:42 PM Reply	well he might be a whiny etc dont encourage him why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #8,450 by marlowe 9/11/01 8:01:31 PM Reply	Oh, please. The Palestinians brought this conflict on themselves. They had a chance to establish a peaceful relationship in 1948, and they didn't even make an effort. Even the other Muslim nations regarded the Palestinians as trash before they became a political cause celebre. And now they all want those yahoos to have a homeland, so long as it's not in their country. Some people are trouble no matter how nice you are to them. In fact, the nicer you are, there more grief they give you. Restraint simply doesn't apply here. It never did. Bluke's wrong about a lot of things. But this isn't one of them. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,462 by Another Scott 9/11/01 10:06:06 PM Reply	Rather wide brush there, Phil... Some people feel that way about Roma/Gypsies too.... I don't believe that people should be tarred with such a wide brush. Whatever the situation in 1948, the reality now is that there are several million people living in the areas occupied by Israel since the 1967 war. They're not going away, and in fact their population is growing quite rapidly. What do you think should be done with them? Should millions of Palestinians be condemned to squallor for even more years as punishment for the actions of a relative few militants? Do you really think Israel can have a secure existance with millions of poor, angry people on her border and working inside her borders? I don't believe so. If restraint doesn't apply here, as you say, then what does? What's the alternative that will give Israel a chance for peace in the next few years? (You can regard these as rhetorical questions if you'd like, but I'd like to see your answers. Thanks.) Cheers, Scott.
Post #8,672 by marlowe 9/12/01 4:24:25 PM Reply	Here's a question for ya. If they're living in squalor, and they don't like it, why don't they just up and move to someplace better? It worked for the ancestors of most American citizens. Not all to the same degree, but that only helps prove my point. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,679 by Another Scott 9/12/01 4:34:46 PM Reply	Many places won't accept them, as you know. Lots of places have restrictions on immigration, especially on "economic" refugees. Moving isn't much of an option for them. And why should they have to leave? And you didn't really answer my questions. Your second comment is non sequitur, IMO. The issue isn't "overpopulation", its the fact that there's a large group of people who aren't going away. Any solution has to recognize that fact and deal with that fact in a constructive way. Cheers, Scott.
Post #8,725 by marlowe 9/12/01 6:49:26 PM Reply	Nobody wanted the Irish in America either. And still they came. And they're still here. And incidentally, if nobody, literally nobody, wants them, whose fault is that? They should try to be a bit less bloodthirsty, hmmm? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,728 by marlowe 9/12/01 6:58:36 PM Reply	And then there's the Mexican migrant workers. Whom the border patrol are laboring mightily to keep out, but without success. Did you even stop to think about this for two heartbeats before you decided to flame me? You're not just wrong. You're downright silly. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,784 by Another Scott 9/12/01 11:26:34 PM Reply	Um, I didn't flame you. No offense intended.
Post #8,934 by marlowe 9/13/01 3:28:04 PM Reply	Okay. My bad. Addison and jabberwhatever hurling ignorant scorn at me, and you standing a little too close to them. I'll try to aim more carefully in the future. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,681 by jbrabeck 9/12/01 4:36:41 PM Reply	Of all the unbelieveably stupid questions... No money, no education, no hope. Every visit one of those 3d world countries? What are they to do? Jump on a plane, fly to Redmond and get a job as a Microsoft certified software engineer? So, how do they "up and move"? Where to? And how do they support themselves once they make that move? And where do they get the education necessary to improve their "quality of life"? [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,722 by marlowe 9/12/01 6:45:50 PM Reply	Of all the unbelievably stupid objections. Plenty of immigrants to America had these very same problems. They managed. To get here and stay here, that is. No excuses. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,673 by marlowe 9/12/01 4:28:40 PM Reply	Here's another one. If they have an overpopulation problem, why don't they either use rubbers or just cut down on the screwing a bit? Both these things work for the Protestants, so what's the excuse? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,685 by jbrabeck 9/12/01 4:44:02 PM Reply	yeah right, another stupid question. Birth control of any type costs money. I was in one of these 3d world country villages a couple of years ago. At age 13 the girls were forced out of the homes, so they had to find a husband to take care of them. And husbands wanted sex. I saw girls my daughters' age carrying babies. The boys were given the opportunity for advanced (HS) education, IF the parents could come up with the tuition. $100/YEAR. However, since that was the annual income, only the "upper class" could attend school. So how do they pay for birth control, or prevent "screwing"? [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,726 by marlowe 9/12/01 6:51:49 PM Reply	Another stupid objection. Condoms are cheap. And abstinence is free. And if they'd just stop breeding like bacteria, they'd wouldn't be so poor to begin with. Duh. If this is the best you can do, why do you even bother? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,932 by jbrabeck 9/13/01 3:26:24 PM Reply	Unbelieveable It's obvious you've never lived, nor seen this type of poverty. I cannot discuss with you, what you cannot comprehend. [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@mn.mediaone.net\|Joe]
Post #8,678 by marlowe 9/12/01 4:34:08 PM Reply	What does pertain Short term: containment and control. Long term: forced conversion to ideas of decency and common sense. Your rights to self determination and cultural identity end where my nose begins. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #8,683 by Another Scott 9/12/01 4:42:17 PM Reply	Marlowe for Benevolent (?) Despot! You make me laugh sometimes, "Phil". :-) Um, how do you intend to impose your views on "decency and common sense" with respect to these issues on the other 6 B folks who share the planet with us? Hint: it's not late-1945 any more... And you're still not answering my questions... :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #8,729 by marlowe 9/12/01 7:02:19 PM Reply	Most of the those six billion aren't a problem. It's a few yahoo groups, such as the Palestinians, that are the issue. And I've never suggested otherwise. And shame on you for resorting to sarcasm and misrepresentation, instead of admitting I've got a valid point which you can't answer directly. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]

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