Post #82,084
2/16/03 5:25:59 PM
2/16/03 7:26:24 PM
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Wm. Shakespeare summarizes our position. Also 1918 redux.
Across the centuries.. (extirpated by friend in NC USA = total message sent) >>"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip
>>the citizenry into a patriotic fervor. It both emboldens the >>blood, just as it narrows the mind... And when the drums of war >>have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the >>mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the >>rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with >>fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their >>rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this >>is what I have done. And I am Caesar." >> - William Shakespeare For many Arabs (it seems) there is active talk of the Dubya Scenario being akin to 1918, when the British carved up the ME to suit their cold mutton & boiled-cabbage view of a proper menu. Amazing the power of the Right slogan for a Time -- transcends all efforts to rationalize-away. Is this the Right One? (It surely is an Opportune One) Ashton Pandora's Box Reopened? (not you, Box) I just Love unintended consequences of Stupid naive-Plans\ufffd Edit: Yup, [link|http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm| Urban Legend] - a bit didactic for the Bard, except in whatever political tracts he might have authored. Or would author, if forced to come back to this tawdry Age of Mediocrity (?) I just quoted the note; suppose it's already spread around variously -- sender informed. A.

Edited by Ashton
Feb. 16, 2003, 07:26:24 PM EST
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Post #82,088
2/16/03 5:32:16 PM
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I dont have the heart to tell him, ask babs to
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Post #82,097
2/16/03 5:52:45 PM
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It's already been debunked here. It doesn't matter.
These people on the Left know they're living in a fantasy world and they don't care. Except when the rest of us refuse to take us seriously. Then they can't fathom why.
Recommended reading: Eye In The Sky by PKD. The Communist chapter. Drunken slogan spouters of the world, unite!
"Going to a march organized by Communists doesn't make you a Communist, any more than going to a march organized by Nazis makes you a Nazi." - Glenn Reynolds CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere! Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
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Post #82,122
2/16/03 9:04:16 PM
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Irony from the re-Illusioned?
"On Oct. 2, 1959, missile engineer Jack Hamilton and his wife Marsha are touring the proton beam deflector of the Belmont (California) Bevatron when a platform collapses and the couple, along with six other assorted people, are plunged through the artificially-generated cosmic rays to the concrete floor below. Shortly thereafter, Jack finds himself facing the eye of God ... only not really. Various other realities turn up, and it gradually dawns on Jack that each member of the wounded, irradiated party is getting his or her turn to create reality around the rest of them. But how will they get out and back to the world as they've known it? This early (1957) Dick novel is obviously dated in some ways -- there's a strong anti-McCarthist strain in the plot -- but features some of his familiar themes in concrete form. " David Loftus, Resident Philip K. Dick Scholar Well, I guess Belmont may serve in fiction - for Berkeley. And McCarthy? - what could be more up-to the-Ashcroft-Minute ?? Funny that: the Bevatron [there was only One] was *my* gig - alas it provided few metaphysical insights, mostly just physical ones. But hey..! Lots of Power.. as might dazzle the juvenile minds amongst us; we kept the children away from the switches, though. Did you know that a pulse of ~ 5 x 10 11 protons at ~ 2.1 Gev/C is equivalent to a .22 bullet through the brain? We could manage ~ 5 x 10 12. One needs no Eye in the Sky clever imponderables to debunk this bill of goods so effectively sold (nay - no selling needed: it's mother's milk) to the bang-bang folks with paint-balls, hand-tailored camos and a need to fantasize bein Heroes. Want a PKD which fits perfectly? The short story about, Newsclowns. Banality is so.. malleable, like all fashionable lunacies. Sinclair Lewis had your number before you were ever spawned, Illusioned and periodically re-Illusioned. You're a natural fit for repetitive tasks - punch cards or keyboards. Who knows? given enough decades - you might even mature - as in ripen, rather than as in rot (?) Ashton
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Post #82,130
2/16/03 9:33:21 PM
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Re: Irony from the re-Illusioned?
Ash, I think you are being too kind to it.
It has 1st to overcome
its anti-social nature, its repeatedly demonstrated obsessive-compulsive behaviour, its inability to grasp the size and scope of our worldly domain, its inability to appreciate how little it knows & how little it understands, its complete lack of cultural awareness and sensitvity brought about possibly because it never travels great distances physically or mentally.
Again, you are being far to kind.
Cheers
Doug
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Post #82,146
2/16/03 9:57:48 PM
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Optimistic, I guess - makings of a mind in there somewhere
It has 'read' a bit, can do simple repetitive math, extrapolate a certain amount of serial thought - but the hubris is the largest barrier. That is at its height in youth and inexperience of a variety of real persons - away from comfy homies.
It has dabbled in Nietzsche, imagines it grokked same (!) - was dazzled by the possibilities for mischief henceforth, with sufficient forgetting of the referents which every word demands. Sloppiness there.
Just nowadays it imagines that links to others of the affected and afflicted - substitutes for looking for root causes. And it is mesmerized by the techno- programmable milieu.. imagining that people may be herded as easily as datapoints.
It could.. possibly learn something of life, one day. Ditch the siren-song of Certainty and become a Human Being, accepting the ignorance of every homo-sap about all the real Questions. It could.
For now, it's been reIllusioned - and like all religious dogma, that must run its course, before the actual state-of-ignorance can be copped-to. Natch I have no idea if this one will eventually make it; so many Love It - it's sooo EZ to hold-tight to those ephemeral Certainties!
(Why, people Kill to hold-on to those! Regularly.)
Ashton
PS Techo folk are more vulnerable - why.. their theories seem to work! So Well in makin machines 'work'.. well, you get the idea.
I= io eKT And All That Jazz
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Post #82,148
2/16/03 9:59:36 PM
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3 weeks on a hardee county chain gang could fix that
Mr Marlowe meet Mr Brandi, I would like both to meet Mr. Reality. thanx, bill
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Post #82,160
2/16/03 10:25:53 PM
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Month of Feb. on the streets of Montreal could do the same.
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Post #82,167
2/16/03 10:31:26 PM
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BTDT had the tshirt stolen Mr reality does come out there
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Post #82,406
2/18/03 11:33:01 AM
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It knows a bogus Shakespeare quote when it sees one.
Which is more than can be said for Ashtonbot. No amount of your trademark ink-squirting is gonna let you escape from that. Your well-cultivated ignorance is exposed. So bite my shiny metal ass.
No oil for TotalFinaElf! CHICKENHAWK! Scourge of clucking hens everywhere! Victory is the answer. There are no alternatives. [link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
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Post #82,411
2/18/03 11:52:26 AM
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everyone of us has been bit by a net hoax, even you
so only one snide remark per episode please. :-) thanx, bill
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Post #82,428
2/18/03 12:58:38 PM
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I haven't.
"Bite my shiny metal ass."
:D
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
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Post #82,475
2/18/03 3:55:46 PM
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so you have never clicked on a free porn banner?
No, thats not a good one hmmm :-) thanx, bill
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Post #82,579
2/19/03 4:28:08 AM
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Given a choice between a genuine hoax and canned
tripe from yesteryear - I'll go with the original work. My ignorance is inherent; some folks have to study to achieve it.
The Nintendo-Britney Eloi
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Post #82,191
2/16/03 11:25:20 PM
2/17/03 8:51:20 AM
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Right on target here Ash ...
When a leader talks war every day, he sure achieves a whole lot of things ..
- Everyone starts listening - Everyone gets worked up, some get hysterical - Most people become emotionally exhausted after a while & want it to end - The majority of the above would accept the invasion just to end the emotional strain - After a while, people start to forget basic principles like: rightiousness, justice, freedom, fairness, humanity, peace
Side effects
- That the likes of the militias stop having paranoid delusions about their governement - That people generally feel a sense of unity - Religious right get to find a new 'devil' they can focus their paranoia on
Cheers Doug

Edited by dmarker
Feb. 17, 2003, 08:51:20 AM EST
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Post #82,245
2/17/03 12:01:41 PM
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Re: Right on target here Ash ...
Side effects - That the likes of the militias stop having paranoid delusions about their governement Generally, isn't this because their paranoid delusions have now become true? <ducks>
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Post #82,312
2/17/03 7:22:46 PM
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Re: Right on target here Ash ...
Possibly, but its the delusion they desire <grin>
Cheers
Doug
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