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Post #80,611
by andread
2/10/03 12:49:12 PM
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New Re: Misunderstandings repeated
Ben said :

You also misunderstood my comment that several of us had an undue impact elsewhere to be a statement that you specifically had an undue impact elsewhere.

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I wouldn't call that a misunderstanding
It was a response to the shill issue and additional reasons that lead me to believe it would not be in MS interest to have a permanent shill here

as far as the roving shill.....I don't know anything that would impact on that theory that I haven't said before

Meanwhile the Opera issue remains a minor tempest in a minor teapot as you can view MSN with Opera (at least I can)

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Post #80,630
by ben_tilly
2/10/03 1:58:20 PM
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New Did you ever follow the link above?
More importantly, at the thread I pointed you at?

In [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=80387|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=80387] I directed you at a discussion where a couple of posts down you will find [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=30074|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=30074].

As pointed out there, the point of having a shill show up here is not to convert anyone, it is to pre-emptively tie people up here at key points to keep them from being active somewhere that might have more of an impact.

But when it comes to the Opera and MSN issue, with the publicity that has been given, is there any surprise that it might have been fixed by now?

Seriously, for someone who shows some signs of intelligence, the consistency with which you misunderstand anything inconvenient to you is quite amazing.

Cheers,
Ben
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Post #80,633
by drewk
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2/10/03 2:14:06 PM
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New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #80632 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=80632|ICLRPD]
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Post #80,671
by CRConrad
2/10/03 4:09:57 PM
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New Signs? What signs?!?
Post #80,881
by andread
2/11/03 9:45:27 AM
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New Sorry Ben I'm not Buying in
Ben wrote:

As pointed out there, the point of having a shill show up here is not to convert anyone, it is to pre-emptively tie people up here at key points to keep them from being active somewhere that might have more of an impact.

end quote

All that really speaks to is a personal preference that some people have for feeling a need to respond to certain stimuli

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Post #80,889
by folkert
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2/11/03 9:59:36 AM
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New DOH! but... but... but...
I multi-task... ;)
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Post #81,046
by ben_tilly
2/11/03 10:14:01 PM
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New Ironically informative
If you meant that as an explanation of shill-like behaviour, then I don't buy it.

But it was perfect as an explanation of a principle that a good shill or troll can use to maximize the effect of spending a small amount of energy.

Cheers,
Ben
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     MSN.com sabotaging Opera - (marlowe) - (46) - Feb. 5, 2003, 04:48:36 PM EST
         Hey deSitter, still think they've "changed"? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 5, 2003, 06:50:51 PM EST
         Whoop more MS nonsense - (orion) - Feb. 5, 2003, 10:53:57 PM EST
         what else is new - (SpiceWare) - (5) - Feb. 5, 2003, 11:44:17 PM EST
             Works for me. - (admin) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2003, 10:29:43 AM EST
                 interesting - (SpiceWare) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2003, 11:53:02 AM EST
                     This is a long standing Microsoft technique - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2003, 02:16:35 PM EST
                         a huge market Microsoft dearly wants to dominate. - (folkert) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2003, 04:16:52 PM EST
                             Probably. But this one is a little special. - (static) - Feb. 7, 2003, 06:04:32 AM EST
         So? - (static) - Feb. 6, 2003, 06:17:35 AM EST
         Re: MSN.com sabotaging Opera - (andread) - (35) - Feb. 6, 2003, 11:34:50 AM EST
             Re: MSN.com sabotaging Opera - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2003, 11:51:47 AM EST
                 Nevermind that man behind the curtain... he means NOTHING... - (folkert) - Feb. 6, 2003, 04:12:57 PM EST
             Shill shill shill shill shill shill shill shill shill shill! -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 6, 2003, 03:50:24 PM EST
             Oops - ignore this one -NT - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 6, 2003, 08:01:09 PM EST
             You are a little short on reading comprehension? - (ben_tilly) - (30) - Feb. 6, 2003, 08:00:33 PM EST
                 One More Time - (andread) - (29) - Feb. 7, 2003, 05:22:29 PM EST
                     Opera 7.0 identifies itself as *compatible* with IE 6.0 - (admin) - Feb. 7, 2003, 05:37:55 PM EST
                     What Scott said. - (static) - Feb. 7, 2003, 07:36:04 PM EST
                     And you still claim you're not shill-ing for MS? Bah! -NT - (CRConrad) - (26) - Feb. 8, 2003, 06:24:51 PM EST
                         Grandiose Delusions - (andread) - (25) - Feb. 9, 2003, 08:30:21 AM EST
                             I'll give you a good reason to care about us - (ben_tilly) - (24) - Feb. 9, 2003, 09:50:47 AM EST
                                 Re: I'll give you a good reason to care about us - (andread) - (23) - Feb. 9, 2003, 01:49:50 PM EST
                                     and it wouldnt be the same without ya -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 9, 2003, 02:06:01 PM EST
                                     Do you have direct control of a webserver? - (folkert) - Feb. 9, 2003, 02:33:27 PM EST
                                     Agent string - (kmself) - (11) - Feb. 9, 2003, 03:26:52 PM EST
                                         Heh. You called him "Andrea". Andy doesn't like that. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Feb. 9, 2003, 04:02:09 PM EST
                                         Re: Agent string - (jb4) - (9) - Feb. 11, 2003, 02:08:22 PM EST
                                             Check the TWiki - (drewk) - Feb. 11, 2003, 03:09:02 PM EST
                                             Just understand--some sites will break... - (tseliot) - (7) - Feb. 11, 2003, 04:34:05 PM EST
                                                 Changing the string doesn't break sites.... - (kmself) - (6) - Feb. 12, 2003, 01:28:21 AM EST
                                                     Uh...yeah. - (tseliot) - (5) - Feb. 12, 2003, 12:26:58 PM EST
                                                         Lemme guess... Educational?? - (folkert) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2003, 02:10:06 PM EST
                                                             Buh...not educational. - (tseliot) - (1) - Feb. 12, 2003, 03:27:20 PM EST
                                                                 No... - (folkert) - Feb. 12, 2003, 04:18:23 PM EST
                                                         Microsoft is boiling the frogs again.... - (kmself) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2003, 02:46:33 AM EST
                                                             Re: Microsoft is boiling the frogs again.... - (jake123) - Feb. 15, 2003, 02:11:31 PM EST
                                     Misunderstandings repeated - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Feb. 9, 2003, 05:11:24 PM EST
                                         Feh - what's to say other than Andrea Dear *is* Squidley? -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 9, 2003, 06:04:56 PM EST
                                         Re: Misunderstandings repeated - (andread) - (6) - Feb. 10, 2003, 12:49:12 PM EST
                                             Did you ever follow the link above? - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 10, 2003, 01:58:20 PM EST
                                                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - Feb. 10, 2003, 02:14:06 PM EST
                                                 Signs? What signs?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 10, 2003, 04:09:57 PM EST
                                                 Sorry Ben I'm not Buying in - (andread) - (2) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:45:27 AM EST
                                                     DOH! but... but... but... - (folkert) - Feb. 11, 2003, 09:59:36 AM EST
                                                     Ironically informative - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 11, 2003, 10:14:01 PM EST
         Easy enough to do - (orion) - Feb. 6, 2003, 10:55:59 PM EST

None more embeddeder, I'd say.
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