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New I notice the point you ignored
I'll reserve comment on that for now.

As far as my "making assumptions", you would be well served to be a bit more catholic in your news sources. If you were you might have known of the desire by the bush puppetmasters^H^H^H^H^H^H advisors to control Iraqi oil as a matter of policy for at least a decade.

oct 18 98
[link|http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/10/981019-in.htm|Link]

Aug 18 02
[link|http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020818-iraq1.htm|Link]

Perle called for regime change for the last decade
[link|http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/09/05/perle/|Link]

other sources
[link|http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100102_bush_advisors.html|Link]

[link|http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Chin110702/chin110702.html|Link]

[link|http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0915-01.htm|Link]

I'm not "presuming" a damned thing.
Memory is like a watchacallit.
-Steven Brust
New actually goes back to 1917
and the brits.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New The common thread I see in all of your links...
other than a definate premeditation about "what to do about Iraq" since 1992, is that they all agreed that we had unfinished business after the Persian Gulf War. Which most everyone already agrees, even common schmoes like me.

The fact that these men share common "solution" does not equate to "it's all about the oil", nor does it equate to a huge Illuminati plot (although I wouldn't mind discussing that). I fully believe that this is an advancement of Am erican emperialism (and Britain by proxie). I also agree that there is a globalization and Third Wave shock that will transpire in this century. I believe it is inevitable, as population continues to rise and resources decrease or at best remain constant. Cultures will be enhanced and cultures will be destroyed. These are presumptions that I make.

I simply find that parroting "it's all about oil", "evil Bush", blah blah blah fails to take into account the military and geopolitical importance of the US presence in that region - remember Israel? If Iraq used it's WOMD on Israel, (which they most probably will), we can no longer enjoy the luxury of sitting on the fence anyway. We either help shape the world geopolitical future or take the sloppy seconds of the "great minds" of Europe and Asia...

Another incongruity that I notice about the left is that they believe that Dubya (an idiot, simpleton, etc.) has the brains to assemble such a magnificient coup.

:-)

Which way is it?
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


Living is easy with eyes closed
misunderstanding all you see,
it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
it doesn't matter much to me


J. Lennon - Strawberry Fields Forever
New Pardon me?
Let's focus on the central point, shall we?
What point did I bring up?
...an administration that has had the goal of controlling Iraqi oil since before they were installed

What did you say to this?
You aren't making any assumptions there, are you?

My response (paraphrased) -[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=79897|No, I'm referencing fact]
Your response-
we had unfinished business after the Persian Gulf War.
Nice fade.
What was it we were discussing?

This administration has had the goal of controlling Iraqi oil since before they were installed.
Memory is like a watchacallit.
-Steven Brust
     I'd like to go back a few months/years... - (screamer) - (18)
         whose debating? I just like poking em with sharp sticks - (boxley)
         apples/oranges - (Silverlock) - (8)
             What? - (screamer) - (7)
                 The part you don't understand. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                     Why... - (screamer) - (1)
                         Your Reality Check came back NSF. - (Brandioch)
                 I notice the point you ignored - (Silverlock) - (3)
                     actually goes back to 1917 - (boxley)
                     The common thread I see in all of your links... - (screamer) - (1)
                         Pardon me? - (Silverlock)
         Dude...great use of a Beatles quote! - (bepatient) - (2)
             See BP? If you would've use a Beatles quote, too, - (bbronson) - (1)
                 *sputter* *cough* -NT - (bepatient)
         That is "concrete" to you? - (Brandioch) - (4)
             What is concrete to me is - (screamer) - (3)
                 Can't argue with logic like that. - (Brandioch)
                 Bull**** - (dmarker)
                 Re: What is concrete to me is [*your* heart] - (Ashton)

Gimme some sugar, baby.
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