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New I would like some evidence, or at least justification.
Must be old age, cuz I see no reason, rational, justification or insert your word here, for an attack on Iraq.

Now, before the flamers come out, I am retired Army. Was in during 'Nam, 7 day war, and Gulf war. I have put in my time defending my country. In the past, I could always believe that we were defending something.

Key word there, defending. A "first strike" in not a defense. Iraq cannot hurt the US, cannot attack the US and doesn't even scare the US. So why the fork does Dubya want to attack?

To play war hero? To ensure his reelection?

Hey, my neighbor says he wants to punch my lights out. Should I go buy a gun and kill him?

Dubya is just plain WRONG. If the UN (not the US) finds a reason for first strike, then so be it. (The police could arrest my neighbor if credible witness are found)

Not fighting for Oil. Not fighting to protect ourselves. So what is this saber rattling about? Why?
Note: Neighbor is used for an example. Only wife wants to put the lights out (but for OTHER reasons. ;p)


[link|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com|Joe]
New We must kill their civilians!
Because they MIGHT, in the FUTURE, launch an attack against SOMEONE (not the USofA).

Or, they MIGHT, in the FUTURE, give some "WMD's" to some TERRORISTS to kill people (maybe in the USofA) and those TERRORISTS might NOT be caught in time.

Good God, man! If the possible threat of future attack that may NOT be foiled isn't enough to justify the murder of Iraqi children THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS?!?

Hey, my neighbor says he wants to punch my lights out. Should I go buy a gun and kill him?
Don't be stupid. You should kill him AND his family. Then you should auction off his land and spend the money on improving the neighborhood. Starting with repainting your house and doing that kitchen upgrade the wife wanted.
New Don't forget grinding children's heads beneath our boots.
And murdering their grandparents...and raping their daughters.

et al

yawn
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Re: I would like some evidence, or at least justification.
Dubya is just plain WRONG. If the UN (not the US) finds a reason for first strike, then so be it. (The police could arrest my neighbor if credible witness are found)


Full agreement. And my (just made) post is essentially an indictment of those police. I think this entire situation should have been focused on the United Nations. Instead of idle chatter...it should have been an insistence that Iraq be held accountable for its past and current violations of UN mandates. GW has made this a US vs Iraq issue...it should have been a US vs UN issue. I would have tied resolution not to impending "first strike" war with Iraq...but to our membership and continued support of the United Nations.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
     Here we go. Evidence dump. - (marlowe) - (28)
         Return of old argument - (JayMehaffey)
         Just like I predicted. - (Brandioch)
         All the words - (marlowe) - (3)
             Just here is that "Rope-Limit" line NOW???? -NT - (folkert)
             But still, no physical evidence. -NT - (Brandioch) - (1)
                 I'm starting to worry about you. man. - (marlowe)
         Some pics from the briefing - (marlowe) - (3)
             What denials? - (Brandioch) - (2)
                 Those trucks were there to _________________________________ - (marlowe) - (1)
                     Drop off office furniture. - (Brandioch)
         I wouldn't bother with evidence. - (bepatient) - (17)
             You are a true believer. .... Remarkable. - (mmoffitt) - (12)
                 I said no such thing. - (bepatient) - (11)
                     Oh, I thought you implied there was "evidence". - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                         what I cant figger out is that you guys all agree we gave - (boxley) - (7)
                             Cite please? When did I ever say anything like that? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                 So you will admit that some may remain? - (boxley) - (4)
                                     Was wanting to have the the crime? - (Brandioch) - (3)
                                         No, it isn't the usage either. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                             IMO you are right -NT - (boxley)
                                             And tomorrow is another day. - (Brandioch)
                             Ditto. Cite please? When did I ever say anything like that? -NT - (Brandioch)
                         No...the statement was simple... - (bepatient) - (1)
                             Nonsense. - (mmoffitt)
             I would like some evidence, or at least justification. - (jbrabeck) - (3)
                 We must kill their civilians! - (Brandioch) - (1)
                     Don't forget grinding children's heads beneath our boots. - (bepatient)
                 Re: I would like some evidence, or at least justification. - (bepatient)

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