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Post #73,170
by deSitter
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1/7/03 11:30:15 AM
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New Debian is a hateful POS invented by ungrateful hackmeisters
..a miserable wretched doppelganger for the failed GNU/HURD project - and the fact that good people support shows how fragile is the veneer of sanity and common sense.

-drl
Post #73,171
by Another Scott
1/7/03 11:32:22 AM
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New Trolling? :-p
Post #73,179
by deSitter
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1/7/03 11:53:57 AM
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New No - I'm honestly disgusted
..the way I get disgusted with other hateful things, like Eminem and W and provel cheese.

As I've said, I can't exactly explain the revulsion I feel for Debian - it must be rooted in the fact that without the Linux kernel, these ideologistic wannabes would be pissing in the wind.
-drl
Post #73,181
by Yendor
1/7/03 11:56:01 AM
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New Let me give you a hint...
As I've said, I can't exactly explain the revulsion I feel for Debian
...You can't explain it because you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about in the first place.

Go back to Windows, Ross.
-YendorMike

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Post #73,381
by tseliot
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1/8/03 12:08:06 PM
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New Did you just turn 55 or what?
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #73,385
by deSitter
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1/8/03 12:19:33 PM
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New Not even close!
But what was the point?
-drl
Post #73,394
by tseliot
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1/8/03 1:26:37 PM
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New Point being...
Lumping your dislike for Deb with your dislike for Eminem makes you sound...well...codgerially pedantic. "It's new! It's not what I'm used to [which, you might note, applies equally well to political as technical points-of-view]! I hate it! Get off my lawn, you crazy kids!"
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #73,406
by deSitter
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1/8/03 2:21:01 PM
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New Re: Point being...
I love new things. There are exactly two things I utterly can't abide:

1) Bad music
2) Collectivism

The cheese part was just for fun.
-drl
Post #74,808
by rickmoen
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1/16/03 4:54:29 AM
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New Re: Point being...
deSitter wrote:

There are exactly two things I utterly can't abide:

1) Bad music
2) Collectivism

"Welcome to the kibbutz. Here's your accordian."

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
Post #74,822
by deSitter
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1/16/03 6:15:03 AM
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New rofl
-drl
Post #73,173
by Yendor
1/7/03 11:37:34 AM
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New Troll
-YendorMike

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Post #73,174
by admin
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1/7/03 11:41:02 AM
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New Oh my, you are entertaining today.
And you've actually used Debian, in order to generate this informed opinion...?

Speaking of fragile veneers of sanity, indeed...
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #73,176
by deSitter
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1/7/03 11:50:11 AM
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New Re: Oh my, you are entertaining today.
I can read a website. Linux is Linux, and attitudes are attitudes. Anarchy and collectivism suck. And co-opting someone else's work (GNU/Linux) is the worst.

Shudder. Shudder again.
-drl
Post #73,178
by Yendor
1/7/03 11:52:05 AM
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New Translated:
Nope. I haven't used Debian. I can't speak with an informed voice about the issues you mention. I know JACK SHIT about what I'm talking about.

Thank you, drive through.
-YendorMike

[link|http://www.hope-ride.org/|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #73,182
by deSitter
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1/7/03 11:56:04 AM
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New Here's a Bet, Genius
I've never installed Debian on ANYTHING - but I'm certain that if completely new hardware were plopped down in front of both of us, and some Debian media, I'd smoke you installing it. Linux is Linux, and I've been down the road of difficult installs.
-drl
Post #73,183
by Yendor
1/7/03 12:01:03 PM
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New Big farkin' deal.
Your dick is bigger than my dick. Who cares?

I'm willing to listen to reason and the experience of others. Many folks here have said that it's easier to use and administer. Folks with much more experience with Linux than either you or I have. Probably combined. Yet you still claim that "reading websites" makes you knowledgeable about everything about Debian, and you are therefore competent to make a technologically sound decision about it.

That may be true for yourself and your own personal machines. To the rest of the world, you are succeeding in only sticking your head in the sand.

This qualifies you to run Windows along with Billy-n-Bally. Run along and go play with your kind.
-YendorMike

[link|http://www.hope-ride.org/|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #73,188
by admin
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1/7/03 12:34:36 PM
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New Who cares about installation?
And how the fuck did you turn this into a pissing contest?

Debian isn't about the installation. It's about the maintenance. Go install it. Use it. Until then, STFU about something you know little about.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #73,194
by deSitter
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1/7/03 12:48:15 PM
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New It' Not A Tech Issue
I will not argue with you about tech. Why would I? You're a grown-up and know what works. I'm sure it works (because of the kernel they co-opted). This is about Pee Cee fucking BS and the "HURD" mentality.
-drl
Post #73,199
by admin
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1/7/03 12:53:52 PM
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New Whatever.
I don't use stuff based on politics... have a nice day.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #73,240
by pwhysall
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1/7/03 4:38:30 PM
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New Re: It' Not A Tech Issue
Check out Debian/BSD.

Idiot.

Peter
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Post #74,807
by rickmoen
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1/16/03 4:50:47 AM
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New Re: Who cares about installation?
Scott wrote:

Debian isn't about the installation. It's about the maintenance.

I hereby award this post the Right-fscking-On Award for Clue-Bestowing and Brevity.

Carry on, good sir.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
Post #73,204
by folkert
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1/7/03 1:34:37 PM
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New Not to put salt into a wound...
But weren't you the one that Bitched Like heel when all you got were Symbol Problems... after a Depmod and tried to boot the new kernel you just built flopped? You continued to say Linux is Shit... it is just a Cobbled together pieces of Crappy un-related C source files with glue holding them together? (Slightly paraphrased, but generally the same) And further more, there is no way to make a "modular" kernel as fast as a monlithic kernel. (When in fact the "modular" kernel is in fact STILL classified as Monlithic due to the ways the system passes info)

It turned out to you *NOT* putting the correct System.map in place... and you never really said thanks, to any of us, that did help you get the right pieces of info, to help you out. And the same one that recently started to want to build a machine "from the source up" and you have been pointed to Gentoo (excellent Distro BTW) and Linux From Scratch (another well documented system of thinking), and have recently also Bitched about RPM dependancies... Yet STILL use a Prebuilt RPM-Based Distribution?

Yes, these are small points, but they definately paint the picture for you. Please just take the time and download the First ISO of Debian Woody (3.0r1) and install from there... It's not as pretty(the install that is) as say SuSE or RedHat or even ManDrake... But it ends up giving you a "Base Machine" to work from. Tis nice. There are alot of things that need to be learnt... but nothing a seasoned warrior as youself can't handle.

It helps to allow yourself to Grow... I refused to use Debian in the Past because of my refusal to want to get outside my box. But, I'll say that since I now have a local Mirror of the Debian Archive (US, non-US and security)... I am waist deep into Debian and I am upto about the 85% area on the "RC" (resistive/capacitive)(laugh people that's a good pun) curve... If you get to the 70.7% mark... you'll feel alot better. You might even find alot of things you didn't realize...
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Post #73,215
by deSitter
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1/7/03 2:25:31 PM
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New Re: Not to put salt into a wound...
I said SuSE 8.0 was released too early, and that I had a bitch of a time getting USB to work correctly. I vented frustration at it, and then I fixed it.

As for dependencies, as long as it's a UNIX clone, it will have dependency issues - nothing will fix that, and you know it.

System.map? That was never an issue. I solved the multiple kernel System.map issue years ago on my old PS/2s. Don't know how you got that idea.

-drl
Post #73,238
by pwhysall
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1/7/03 4:34:53 PM
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New Re: Here's a Bet, Genius
Yar.

I'd fuckin' OWN you, Mr "I can't figure out TrueType fonts".

Install the software. Run it.

Until then, shut the fuck up.

Peter
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Post #73,241
by deSitter
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1/7/03 4:38:54 PM
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New Money?
100 quid? We can arrange it.
-drl
Post #73,242
by pwhysall
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1/7/03 4:41:07 PM
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New Install.
The.

Software.

Peter
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[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #73,186
by admin
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1/7/03 12:32:44 PM
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New ross.spew("crap")
Go troll your misinformed hatred somewhere else.

Use it, or don't. If you don't, stop bitching about it. There's no mob mentality here. We tried it, we liked it. You haven't tried it, yet for some reason you think that qualifies you to pontificate.

And co-opting someone else's work (GNU/Linux) is the worst.
Co-opting what? WTF are you talking about? How is Debian co-opting anything more than RedHat or SuSE are? Debian is the DISTRIBUTION. The only thing different is 1) the form of the package files and 2) how they are managed. RedHat has exactly the same stuff in it, except you are paying for... nothing. A CD. RPM is open source. You're talking out of your ass and you can't admit it.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #73,256
by Brandioch
1/7/03 5:23:08 PM
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New Simple response.
The ONLY feature(s) of Debian that make it so appealing to me are:

#1. apt-get install and I don't have to go hunting to find what .rpm has was stupid library.

#2. It is STABLE. Rock solid.

Now, the REASONS for those two items are fairly complex. They have to do with Debian's policies and the social interaction to maintain those policies.

There is NOTHING in Debian that CANNOT be replicated in EVERY OTHER DISTRIBUTION.

But they refuse to do so.

This isn't about Debian being freeloaders or whatever.

Debian places MORE restrictions and MORE requirements on their distribution than the others do.

Because of this, Debian is a better distribution (for my needs).

Again, there is NOTHING stopping ANY of the OTHER distributions from duplicating Debian's WORK.

But they refuse to do so, for whatever reason.
     Debianista Roll Call -NT - (pwhysall) - (82) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:05:30 PM EST
         Still playing - (imric) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:13:50 PM EST
         Present and accounted for - (Yendor) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:17:28 PM EST
         Never! :) - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:20:55 PM EST
             Still looking... - (Yendor) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:24:09 PM EST
                 He has already been pointed at gentoo -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:26:13 PM EST
                     And Linux From Scratch... -NT - (folkert) - Jan. 4, 2003, 05:11:45 PM EST
         /me runs Debian - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:27:06 PM EST
         I run it TOO... - (folkert) - Jan. 4, 2003, 05:24:08 PM EST
         Half-hearted hey... - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2003, 05:29:52 PM EST
             Does this mean... - (Yendor) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:07:53 PM EST
                 Yup. - (inthane-chan) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:19:27 PM EST
         One work system - (admin) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:02:29 PM EST
             No.... Scott Anderson has... - (folkert) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:43:13 PM EST
         One at work, five at home. And a question. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:42:18 PM EST
             Why not setup - (folkert) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:56:22 PM EST
                 Sounds interesting. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:46:04 PM EST
                     I like Debian. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 4, 2003, 11:12:41 PM EST
             Why not this? src is available - (boxley) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:11:17 PM EST
         add me to the list - (lordbeatnik) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:18:44 PM EST
         Have one Debian, one RH8.0, and one unmentionable system. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 4, 2003, 10:26:02 PM EST
         I'm a Debianewbie - running it on a P200 -NT - (Meerkat) - Jan. 4, 2003, 11:10:44 PM EST
         But you knew that already - (kmself) - Oct. 2, 2003, 06:58:10 PM EDT
         *Raises Hand* - (Steve Lowe) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:27:36 AM EST
             BootItNG has worked well for me so far. 30 day trial. $35. -NT - (Another Scott) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:32:56 AM EST
             Re: *Raises Hand* - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 05:02:37 AM EST
         I'll never understand the mob mentality - (deSitter) - (50) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:36:15 AM EST
             apt. That's the reason I like it so much. - (imric) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:12:14 PM EST
                 Everyone knows apt is great - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:29:51 PM EST
                     When they do, I might switch. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:44:48 PM EST
             I never understand... - (folkert) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:17:46 PM EST
                 Re: I never understand... - (deSitter) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:33:08 PM EST
                 I will agree with this. - (static) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:48:35 PM EST
                     Re: I will agree with this. - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:31:36 AM EST
             Talking out of your ass again - (admin) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:19:06 PM EST
             Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (kmself) - (41) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:23:42 PM EST
                 Bitch -NT - (Yendor) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:18:53 PM EST
                     Yes, you do. :-P -NT - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:34:24 PM EST
                 Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (deSitter) - (34) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:23:29 PM EST
                     Advice - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:31:45 PM EST
                     A waste of time? - (admin) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:33:10 PM EST
                     Maybe I'm missing something. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:24:44 PM EST
                     Translation - (pwhysall) - (30) - Jan. 7, 2003, 03:12:57 AM EST
                         OMFL! - (folkert) - Jan. 7, 2003, 08:36:56 AM EST
                         As the resident multilingualist, I'll endorse that. -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 7, 2003, 08:58:57 AM EST
                         Debian is a hateful POS invented by ungrateful hackmeisters - (deSitter) - (27) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:30:15 AM EST
                             Trolling? :-p -NT - (Another Scott) - (8) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:32:22 AM EST
                                 No - I'm honestly disgusted - (deSitter) - (7) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:53:57 AM EST
                                     Let me give you a hint... - (Yendor) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:56:01 AM EST
                                     Did you just turn 55 or what? -NT - (tseliot) - (5) - Jan. 8, 2003, 12:08:06 PM EST
                                         Not even close! - (deSitter) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2003, 12:19:33 PM EST
                                             Point being... - (tseliot) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2003, 01:26:37 PM EST
                                                 Re: Point being... - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2003, 02:21:01 PM EST
                                                     Re: Point being... - (rickmoen) - (1) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:54:29 AM EST
                                                         rofl -NT - (deSitter) - Jan. 16, 2003, 06:15:03 AM EST
                             Troll -NT - (Yendor) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:37:34 AM EST
                             Oh my, you are entertaining today. - (admin) - (15) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:41:02 AM EST
                                 Re: Oh my, you are entertaining today. - (deSitter) - (14) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:50:11 AM EST
                                     Translated: - (Yendor) - (12) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:52:05 AM EST
                                         Here's a Bet, Genius - (deSitter) - (11) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:56:04 AM EST
                                             Big farkin' deal. - (Yendor) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:01:03 PM EST
                                             Who cares about installation? - (admin) - (4) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:34:36 PM EST
                                                 It' Not A Tech Issue - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:48:15 PM EST
                                                     Whatever. - (admin) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:53:52 PM EST
                                                     Re: It' Not A Tech Issue - (pwhysall) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:38:30 PM EST
                                                 Re: Who cares about installation? - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:50:47 AM EST
                                             Not to put salt into a wound... - (folkert) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2003, 01:34:37 PM EST
                                                 Re: Not to put salt into a wound... - (deSitter) - Jan. 7, 2003, 02:25:31 PM EST
                                             Re: Here's a Bet, Genius - (pwhysall) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:34:53 PM EST
                                                 Money? - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:38:54 PM EST
                                                     Install. - (pwhysall) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:41:07 PM EST
                                     ross.spew("crap") - (admin) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:32:44 PM EST
                             Simple response. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 7, 2003, 05:23:08 PM EST
                 Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (rickmoen) - (3) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:44:18 AM EST
                     Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 16, 2003, 09:05:32 AM EST
                         Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 03:04:38 PM EST
                         The 'GNU' credit question (new thread) - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 07:49:45 PM EST
         Check... - (scoenye) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:46:35 PM EST
         Thinking about it. - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:45:26 PM EST
             Get thee to an X server and... - (folkert) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:35:54 PM EST
         Hmmm... you really know... - (folkert) - Jan. 7, 2003, 09:10:03 AM EST
         This should be instructive for "Debio-Bots" - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:45:47 PM EST
             The replies - (imric) - Jan. 7, 2003, 01:33:58 PM EST

Go now (but sparingly) and keepeth this monstrous creation from leaving ruts in My green fields and tundras; aimeth thine albatross within the scriptured dinosaur tracks provided by Mammon.
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