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Post #72,679
by folkert
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1/5/03 1:17:46 PM
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New I never understand...
...how you can say that Ross.

I use Debian, I contribute $$ to the cause...

I use RedHat, I contribute to thier cause by buying support from them and the Professional Version which includes some very useful(less) things I can get for less money else where.

I have bought in the past Corel Linux, I have just bought Lindows recently, I bought the SuSE DVD/CD set... I subscribe to Transgamings WineX, I have bought StarOffice in the past.

I am a member of the Mandrake Club, I have a 10 year Subscription to the Linux Journal, I subscribe to the Pay version of a few things people use for free with features I hate!(nags and ads). I buy games from publishers that GET it... sometime I buy'em twice... Once for Windows and Once for Linux when they get it done. TANSTAAFL!

Every place I do work for, I try to get the companies they buy thier "core business" software from (or Software Developer) to *AT LEAST* look at supporting Linux fully... even offer aid in being an "early adopter".

I submit installation bugs, and refinement tips to distro publishers. I submit bugs with complete descriptions and "environmental" data to the developers... I research *FOR* them so all they have to do is FIX the problem typically reducing fix time.

Now, I know you just *CAN'T* be talking about me...
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Post #72,691
by deSitter
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1/5/03 2:33:08 PM
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New Re: I never understand...
Look, I can't put my finger on it, but this whole Debian/Gnome/GNU experience is creepy. I love geekdom - you know that! - but this "experience" just makes me shudder. It's worse than Microsoft, because at least they employ people.

No, it's almost a conscious effort to *not* compete with vendor UNIX and Microsoft. It's a retreat into fantasy land.
-drl
Post #72,757
by static
1/5/03 6:48:35 PM
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New I will agree with this.
I use RedHat because it does what I want it to do. Albeit not perfectly, but Good Enough. I've paid for RedHat a time or two. I felt it was a worthwhile contribution. I know RedHat's layouts and I'm happy with that.

I've paid for Star Office. I still use it on one or two boxes even though OpenOffice 1.0 is here. I paid for WordPerfect on Linux some years back, too, though I never got it poroductive.

I've paid for Opera several times - both Windows and Linux versions.

I prefer to purchase games I will play considerably. I'm intending to purchase a copy of TransGamingX because I don't want to ever need Windows XP.

I purchased a Debian CD set, and added a donation to the cause. I tried it and it broke. This happened three times. :-/ I'm not willing to have another look at it yet, but I'll be happy to purchase a CD set when I do.

Our major customers run Linux servers because that's what we support to do the job they pay us to do. They don't care what distro it is (most of them don't even know), just that we can support it. So we run RedHat. Because we can support RedHat.

Wade.

Microsoft are clearly boiling the frogs.
Post #74,802
by rickmoen
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1/16/03 4:31:36 AM
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New Re: I will agree with this.
Wade wrote:

I use RedHat because it does what I want it to do. Albeit not perfectly, but Good Enough.

Red Hat's working pretty well, these days. If you decide you'd like to try apt-rpm on it (which is a set of apt-get utilities modified by Conectiva to be able to handle .rpm archives), and easy place to start is [link|http://apt.freshrpms.net/|http://apt.freshrpms.net/]. I've set that up on quite a number of recent RH versions, and it works well.

Rick Moen
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If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
     Debianista Roll Call -NT - (pwhysall) - (82) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:05:30 PM EST
         Still playing - (imric) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:13:50 PM EST
         Present and accounted for - (Yendor) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:17:28 PM EST
         Never! :) - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:20:55 PM EST
             Still looking... - (Yendor) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:24:09 PM EST
                 He has already been pointed at gentoo -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:26:13 PM EST
                     And Linux From Scratch... -NT - (folkert) - Jan. 4, 2003, 05:11:45 PM EST
         /me runs Debian - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 4, 2003, 04:27:06 PM EST
         I run it TOO... - (folkert) - Jan. 4, 2003, 05:24:08 PM EST
         Half-hearted hey... - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2003, 05:29:52 PM EST
             Does this mean... - (Yendor) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:07:53 PM EST
                 Yup. - (inthane-chan) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:19:27 PM EST
         One work system - (admin) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:02:29 PM EST
             No.... Scott Anderson has... - (folkert) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:43:13 PM EST
         One at work, five at home. And a question. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:42:18 PM EST
             Why not setup - (folkert) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2003, 06:56:22 PM EST
                 Sounds interesting. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:46:04 PM EST
                     I like Debian. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 4, 2003, 11:12:41 PM EST
             Why not this? src is available - (boxley) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:11:17 PM EST
         add me to the list - (lordbeatnik) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:18:44 PM EST
         Have one Debian, one RH8.0, and one unmentionable system. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 4, 2003, 10:26:02 PM EST
         I'm a Debianewbie - running it on a P200 -NT - (Meerkat) - Jan. 4, 2003, 11:10:44 PM EST
         But you knew that already - (kmself) - Oct. 2, 2003, 06:58:10 PM EDT
         *Raises Hand* - (Steve Lowe) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:27:36 AM EST
             BootItNG has worked well for me so far. 30 day trial. $35. -NT - (Another Scott) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:32:56 AM EST
             Re: *Raises Hand* - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 05:02:37 AM EST
         I'll never understand the mob mentality - (deSitter) - (50) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:36:15 AM EST
             apt. That's the reason I like it so much. - (imric) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:12:14 PM EST
                 Everyone knows apt is great - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:29:51 PM EST
                     When they do, I might switch. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:44:48 PM EST
             I never understand... - (folkert) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:17:46 PM EST
                 Re: I never understand... - (deSitter) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:33:08 PM EST
                 I will agree with this. - (static) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:48:35 PM EST
                     Re: I will agree with this. - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:31:36 AM EST
             Talking out of your ass again - (admin) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:19:06 PM EST
             Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (kmself) - (41) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:23:42 PM EST
                 Bitch -NT - (Yendor) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:18:53 PM EST
                     Yes, you do. :-P -NT - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:34:24 PM EST
                 Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (deSitter) - (34) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:23:29 PM EST
                     Advice - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:31:45 PM EST
                     A waste of time? - (admin) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:33:10 PM EST
                     Maybe I'm missing something. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:24:44 PM EST
                     Translation - (pwhysall) - (30) - Jan. 7, 2003, 03:12:57 AM EST
                         OMFL! - (folkert) - Jan. 7, 2003, 08:36:56 AM EST
                         As the resident multilingualist, I'll endorse that. -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 7, 2003, 08:58:57 AM EST
                         Debian is a hateful POS invented by ungrateful hackmeisters - (deSitter) - (27) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:30:15 AM EST
                             Trolling? :-p -NT - (Another Scott) - (8) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:32:22 AM EST
                                 No - I'm honestly disgusted - (deSitter) - (7) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:53:57 AM EST
                                     Let me give you a hint... - (Yendor) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:56:01 AM EST
                                     Did you just turn 55 or what? -NT - (tseliot) - (5) - Jan. 8, 2003, 12:08:06 PM EST
                                         Not even close! - (deSitter) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2003, 12:19:33 PM EST
                                             Point being... - (tseliot) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2003, 01:26:37 PM EST
                                                 Re: Point being... - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2003, 02:21:01 PM EST
                                                     Re: Point being... - (rickmoen) - (1) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:54:29 AM EST
                                                         rofl -NT - (deSitter) - Jan. 16, 2003, 06:15:03 AM EST
                             Troll -NT - (Yendor) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:37:34 AM EST
                             Oh my, you are entertaining today. - (admin) - (15) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:41:02 AM EST
                                 Re: Oh my, you are entertaining today. - (deSitter) - (14) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:50:11 AM EST
                                     Translated: - (Yendor) - (12) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:52:05 AM EST
                                         Here's a Bet, Genius - (deSitter) - (11) - Jan. 7, 2003, 11:56:04 AM EST
                                             Big farkin' deal. - (Yendor) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:01:03 PM EST
                                             Who cares about installation? - (admin) - (4) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:34:36 PM EST
                                                 It' Not A Tech Issue - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:48:15 PM EST
                                                     Whatever. - (admin) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:53:52 PM EST
                                                     Re: It' Not A Tech Issue - (pwhysall) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:38:30 PM EST
                                                 Re: Who cares about installation? - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:50:47 AM EST
                                             Not to put salt into a wound... - (folkert) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2003, 01:34:37 PM EST
                                                 Re: Not to put salt into a wound... - (deSitter) - Jan. 7, 2003, 02:25:31 PM EST
                                             Re: Here's a Bet, Genius - (pwhysall) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:34:53 PM EST
                                                 Money? - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:38:54 PM EST
                                                     Install. - (pwhysall) - Jan. 7, 2003, 04:41:07 PM EST
                                     ross.spew("crap") - (admin) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:32:44 PM EST
                             Simple response. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 7, 2003, 05:23:08 PM EST
                 Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (rickmoen) - (3) - Jan. 16, 2003, 04:44:18 AM EST
                     Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 16, 2003, 09:05:32 AM EST
                         Re: Mob mentality is particularly hard to understand... - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 03:04:38 PM EST
                         The 'GNU' credit question (new thread) - (rickmoen) - Jan. 16, 2003, 07:49:45 PM EST
         Check... - (scoenye) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:46:35 PM EST
         Thinking about it. - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:45:26 PM EST
             Get thee to an X server and... - (folkert) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:35:54 PM EST
         Hmmm... you really know... - (folkert) - Jan. 7, 2003, 09:10:03 AM EST
         This should be instructive for "Debio-Bots" - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 7, 2003, 12:45:47 PM EST
             The replies - (imric) - Jan. 7, 2003, 01:33:58 PM EST

The last time he socialized with us, he got flamed like a mosquito in a bug zapper.
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