And you're definition of 'it' is?

Post #69,843 by andread 12/19/02 8:20:37 AM Reply	And you're definition of 'it' is? Iwould bet that only a small % of home users ever install anything thru windows update or update their a/v or worry about SPs if I wanted to propagate 'it' I'd use mp3 A who remembers a time when serious political issues did not concern the burning question of which consumer product to use Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #69,847 by Yendor 12/19/02 8:25:50 AM Reply	See above... As posted, [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-072.asp\|already possible]. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #69,911 by Andrew Grygus 12/19/02 11:43:15 AM Reply	Home user updates? The home user is important, but not the most important target. Business users are more important (because they have money, and if you have money, the government is interested) and more likely to update, especially for security patches. The bulk of business in the U.S. is small business, without dedicated IT and a propensity to let Microsoft "help" them with things they don't understand. Heavy Internet users are another prime target. Just keep bugging them until they accept the "security updates" to end the bother. Remember, the U.S. Government has assigned Admiral Poindexter the job of creating a data system that records and analyzes every purchase made by anyone in the U.S.. Microsoft is pushing automatic updates very hard now, for everyone. Every time I reload Windows for a client or make any other change that affects Internet Explorer, the next time Explorer is opened it goes directly to Microsoft's update site, regardless of what the assigned home page is. Most people will just say "Yes" to "Always trust Microsoft" and away she goes . . If you can distribute security patches with these automatic updates, you sure as hell can distribute security holes as well. Once again, what did the government get for puting Microsoft in a stronger position than they had before the antitrust case began, so suddenly, right after 9/11? Or, perhaps you believe in the Tooth Fairy. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #69,972 by andread 12/19/02 4:05:19 PM Reply	Post hoc... before 9/11 almost everyone was pretty sure that the gov. would let MS off the hook but to return to other issues business XP corporate versions do not require any interaction w/ MS on install auto-updates are still optional most businesses have firewalls and administrators or is this like one of those hacker movies we all know and love (I always like the part where the guy sits at the keyboard, types about 500 wpm and the screen erupts in a graphic display that any game company would kill for just before he yells 'I'm in') in W2K you have to be an admin to run updates I'm the only XP user at work and am admin so I don't know how that is but I'd suspect it is the same A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #69,983 by Andrew Grygus 12/19/02 4:38:20 PM Reply	Bull, most businesses DO NOT have firewalls and admins. Most businesses (in number, in dollar volume, and in employment) in the U.S. are small businesses. If they have a firewall at all, it's just a little NAT router. Since Microsoft's stuff is browser based and requested from the inside, such a firewall is no protection whatever. We're not talking hackers here, were talking about a vendor who's software agents are within the firewall. Most businesses in the U.S. do not have any IT staff whatever. They generally have one person who knows just enough about Windows to screw it up. Most are getting concerned about the cost of Microsoft's software, but have no intention of going elsewhere. I personally am all the IT staff about 220 such businesses have (about 150 are active (call for my services at least once) in any year). Because I'm "expensive", they don't have me do more than the minimum to keep their systems running. My larger clients (those with over 20 workstations) are little better off than the smaller ones. Very few of my clients even have anyone on staff who understands what a directory is. When asked where they keep their document files, they say "in Word" and are totally mystified that I don't consider this sufficient information. This is typical of most businesses in the U.S.. They have no defense whatever against anything Microsoft wants to do. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #70,029 by andread 12/19/02 8:22:34 PM Reply	good point how about the other points Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #70,132 by jb4 12/20/02 2:10:56 PM Reply	E-fscking-GAD! Very few of my clients even have anyone on staff who understands what a directory is. When asked where they keep their document files, they say "in Word" and are totally mystified that I don't consider this sufficient information. This is typical of most businesses in the U.S.. They have no defense whatever against anything Microsoft wants to do. I had no idea... The state of overall computer literacy for Murican bizniz is really that bad? Egad! Thanks for that disturbing eye-opening look from the trenches...(I think...) jb4 "They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink." Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Post #70,136 by inthane-chan 12/20/02 2:21:54 PM Reply	Geezis, where the... HELL have you been? I think every single IT worker should spend 1 week/year manning the Helldesk. It will give you a vastly different view of how computers are working for the masses... Gimli's Rules for Surviving in Middle Earth #43: When attempting to destroy an artifact, remember to use somebody else's axe.
Post #70,156 by jb4 12/20/02 4:20:13 PM Reply	Writing embedded systems, thankyewverymuch... ...(and by "embedded systems", I don't mean Micros~1's bastardized version of the term, either. I mean real-time, event-driven systems embedded into lab tools, medical equipment, vending machines, you name it. I don't do IT. (Yeah, I do do Windows apps when I need to. Fortunately, I don't need to very often. With any kind of luck, I can avoid .Nyet, by sticking to embedded, and (soon) Linux app development. I've spent the last year-and-a-half doing QNX development, so I'm on my way...) Does that make me an "ivory-tower intellectual"? Dunno...probably not. It does, however tend to isolate me from those who are completely devoid of knowledge about basic computer concepts (except, of course, for my PHB-manager types, whom I can never seem to avoid no matter what I do...). jb4 "They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink." Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Post #70,038 by static 12/19/02 9:12:28 PM Reply	So that's when it does it! I run IE rarely on my WinME OEM install* and I haven't yet figured out when it decides it wants to connect to MS instead of the default blank page I setup. So it's to do with changing an IE-related setting, hmm? I've also noticed WMP has no option to "Not check for updates". (Neither does Real Player, BTW.) I wonder how close MS are to Requiring An Internet Connection whilst running Windows... Wade. * shaddup. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #70,047 by inthane-chan 12/19/02 9:37:29 PM Reply	Very.

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