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Post #69,310 by inthane-chan 12/17/02 12:50:20 PM Reply	It's not even that clear cut. Actually, that's only necessary if you want to use their automated update system. You can still download the patches directly from Microsoft's website and apply them yourself if you want to, without opening (additional) security holes. Now, as far as the questionable sanity of applying a closed-source patch that claims to fix a problem... Gimli's Rules for Surviving in Middle Earth #43: When attempting to destroy an artifact, remember to use somebody else's axe.
Post #69,461 by ben_tilly 12/17/02 7:05:11 PM Reply	Wrong The permission that you give is blanket and across the board, even though it is presented as just relating to people who use Windows Update. And has been included in quite a few service packs for various products. Some critical patches (particularly for IE) are only available in service packs that include the noxious terms. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #69,503 by inthane-chan 12/17/02 9:37:00 PM Reply	Different sections. Yes, I know the EULA sucks. Yes, I know that by the terms of the EULA, MS can basically walk into your computer and do lotsa nasty stuff. I was referring to obtaining the patches themselves - he was complaining that he had to turn down his "security level" in order to retrieve the patches. Don't worry, I haven't gone soft yet... :P Gimli's Rules for Surviving in Middle Earth #43: When attempting to destroy an artifact, remember to use somebody else's axe.

Microsoft and Security - (n3jja) - (51) - Dec. 17, 2002, 11:44:28 AM EST

Re: Microsoft and Security - (Yendor) - (50) - Dec. 17, 2002, 12:16:49 PM EST

Lean forward and get your bitchslap! ;-) -NT - (n3jja) - (3) - Dec. 17, 2002, 12:46:37 PM EST

It's not even that clear cut. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Dec. 17, 2002, 12:50:20 PM EST

Wrong - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 17, 2002, 07:05:11 PM EST

Different sections. - (inthane-chan) - Dec. 17, 2002, 09:37:00 PM EST

Re: Microsoft and Security - (andread) - (45) - Dec. 17, 2002, 01:44:32 PM EST

Theoretical Researchers . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 17, 2002, 11:53:21 PM EST

Re: Microsoft and Security - (Yendor) - (41) - Dec. 18, 2002, 03:38:20 AM EST

Sensing Deep Paranoia Here - (andread) - (40) - Dec. 18, 2002, 04:29:03 PM EST

Well, a lot of people, including whole governments . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (39) - Dec. 18, 2002, 06:33:08 PM EST

this relates to Windows Update how? -NT - (andread) - (38) - Dec. 18, 2002, 06:56:56 PM EST

How the hell do you think they'd distribute it? - (Andrew Grygus) - (37) - Dec. 18, 2002, 09:41:38 PM EST

Is 98 the last M$-OS for very many, out there? - (Ashton) - (6) - Dec. 19, 2002, 07:22:42 AM EST

Really? - (andread) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2002, 08:16:57 AM EST

Really. - (Yendor) - Dec. 19, 2002, 08:23:25 AM EST

I vote yes....conditionally - (jb4) - (3) - Dec. 19, 2002, 04:36:29 PM EST

Start with SuSE, sure. - (admin) - (2) - Dec. 19, 2002, 04:40:56 PM EST

Thanks for the Knoppix tip - (jb4) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2002, 02:07:51 PM EST

Debian is harder to configure, easier to install - (admin) - Dec. 20, 2002, 03:57:21 PM EST

And you're definition of 'it' is? - (andread) - (10) - Dec. 19, 2002, 08:20:37 AM EST

See above... - (Yendor) - Dec. 19, 2002, 08:25:50 AM EST

Home user updates? - (Andrew Grygus) - (8) - Dec. 19, 2002, 11:43:15 AM EST

Post hoc... - (andread) - (5) - Dec. 19, 2002, 04:05:19 PM EST

Bull, most businesses DO NOT have firewalls and admins. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Dec. 19, 2002, 04:38:20 PM EST

good point - (andread) - Dec. 19, 2002, 08:22:34 PM EST

E-fscking-GAD! - (jb4) - (2) - Dec. 20, 2002, 02:10:56 PM EST

Geezis, where the... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2002, 02:21:54 PM EST

Writing embedded systems, thankyewverymuch... - (jb4) - Dec. 20, 2002, 04:20:13 PM EST

So that's when it does it! - (static) - (1) - Dec. 19, 2002, 09:12:28 PM EST

Very. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Dec. 19, 2002, 09:37:29 PM EST

Give it up, guys - I done TOLE you Andy is an MS shill. -NT - (CRConrad) - (18) - Dec. 19, 2002, 11:31:36 AM EST

Well, we know that . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Dec. 19, 2002, 11:45:22 AM EST

at least you didn't call me Andrea this time, 'Charlene' -NT - (andread) - (16) - Dec. 19, 2002, 04:07:07 PM EST

And at least you didn't try to deny it this time, Andrea. -NT - (CRConrad) - (15) - Dec. 20, 2002, 09:08:01 AM EST

Tell you what - (andread) - (14) - Dec. 20, 2002, 02:02:43 PM EST

Only shows, some people are stupid enough to whore for free. -NT - (CRConrad) - (13) - Dec. 20, 2002, 04:02:57 PM EST

Curiouser and curiouser - (andread) - (11) - Dec. 21, 2002, 12:07:40 PM EST

Speaking of 'sides' - (Ashton) - (10) - Dec. 21, 2002, 05:16:41 PM EST

Microsoft's very foundation is theivery. - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - Dec. 21, 2002, 07:00:37 PM EST

Unfortunately, Western Business runs that way. - (static) - (8) - Dec. 21, 2002, 11:27:26 PM EST

It goes a lot deeper than that - (tonytib) - Dec. 21, 2002, 11:45:35 PM EST

Western Business in the news runs that way - (Andrew Grygus) - (6) - Dec. 22, 2002, 12:55:30 AM EST

Pithy summary; still M$ is different - (Ashton) - (5) - Dec. 22, 2002, 07:30:45 AM EST

Nestle - (andread) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2002, 01:05:57 PM EST

Quite right you are.. - (Ashton) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2002, 08:21:49 PM EST

Do I dare post... - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2002, 09:40:32 AM EST

Sorry to hear that... - (jb4) - Dec. 23, 2002, 11:20:38 AM EST

Of course you do! So, have you sent your protest yet? - (CRConrad) - Dec. 26, 2002, 07:43:11 PM EST

Whores are professionals - (kmself) - Dec. 23, 2002, 03:32:15 PM EST

You're lucky - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Dec. 18, 2002, 02:56:57 PM EST

Good points - (andread) - Dec. 18, 2002, 04:30:47 PM EST

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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