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New That doesn't follow
Now if you imagine that the 'government' (of the people, by the yada yada) today matches the CIEIO in sociopathic self-interest? - such that you'd *prefer* to let the same Pharaohs continue to *stack the government with paid lackeys in preference to 'our Bad-Government'?

Yes, I think the incidence of rampant self-interest is just as high in government as in business. How does it then follow that I want businesses to continue the current problem?

Without going into a long explanation of how much I do or don't agree with the Libertarian Party, consider this:

Corporations derive much of their power[1] from the fact that they are considered a legal "person" under the law. Officers of the company are essentially shielded from the consequences of their actions by the fact that everything the company does is considered to be an act of the company. All liability falls to the corporation.

But how do you put a corporation in jail when it is found to have caused a death? Or thousands as in Bhopal? Basically, the whole concept that a corporation gets the same legal protections as a person with (effectively) minimal liability is out of whack.

And now corporations are allowed to petition the government to consider their wishes, and make contributions to political campaigns. But can foreigners (real people) contribute to U.S. political campaigns? Not legally. So why can multinational corporations? They move their headquarters to the location with the most favorable tax environment, then contribute to whatever campaign they wish.

Ok, I'm definitely starting to ramble here. Obviously I don't have a simple solution for this. Like you said, it's now a chicken-and-egg problem. But to suggest that I like the status quo, just because I think the government is an equal partner in the problem, is way off base.

[1] IMO etc etc etc
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
New Bingo, I think too.
I believe you've hit that nail squarely. Perhaps this revisiting of the basic rules for Corporations - is about as likely next as any meaningful campaign reform:

short of the aforementioned Mobs with Torches.

(That was a rhetorical question; I didn't imagine that you were unaware of, or *liked* the present con games of the 13,000 who own 3% of the GDP AND the Congress ;-)

Campaign finance reform and redefinition of Corporate responsibility are #s 1 and 2 on my list too. I don't think we have the guts; the jingoistic distractions du jour IMhO further delay ever finding out if we do.


Can we use propane torches, for less pollution?


Ashton
     this will make you sick - (lincoln) - (34)
         Why should it??? -NT - (CRConrad) - (12)
             Because - (lincoln) - (11)
                 Yeah, but *why* should that make anyone "feel sick"?!? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     Riddle me this, Batman: - (lincoln)
                 Alternatively: Isn't that what your system is all about? - (CRConrad) - (8)
                     Watiaminnit - (drewk) - (4)
                         Chicken / egg? - (Ashton) - (2)
                             That doesn't follow - (drewk) - (1)
                                 Bingo, I think too. - (Ashton)
                         Yeah, OK, so I may have mischaracterised the problem. - (CRConrad)
                     {cackle guffaw} Ulp. - (Ashton) - (2)
                         Alas, it ain't no better here. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             Well then: ___We Will All Go Together When We Go - (Ashton)
         Legislation - (deSitter) - (11)
             Not likely in a Global Economy. - (Andrew Grygus) - (10)
                 Heh.. The "Boys From Brazil" ___Study HVAC -NT - (Ashton)
                 Re: Not likely in a Global Economy. - (deSitter) - (8)
                     Here's a real solution. - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                         One other change - (drewk)
                         That would work - but . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                             Like I said... - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                                 So what you're really advocating is... - (jb4) - (1)
                                     Naw. - (inthane-chan)
                     Yes, unions were extremely effective . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         Re: Yes, unions were extremely effective . . . - (deSitter)
         Sick? No, pleased that other companies are doing it - (wharris2)
         Same thing happened to the clothing industry - (orion)
         Yeah - (tuberculosis) - (6)
             So, tell us: Which one is it? -NT - (CRConrad) - (4)
                 Panama - Bocas del Toro -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                     UM "Because it's ALREADY been illegally attacked by the US"? -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                         Plant a teak farm - pay no taxes for 20 years. -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                             Thank Gawd - (Ashton)
             Not a bad idea -NT - (deSitter)

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