I must say it looks GOOD.

Post #68,377 by tseliot 12/12/02 11:31:45 AM Reply	I must say it looks GOOD. May I suggest adding padding (to the left side of the h2 and h3 elements)? h2 { padding-left: 0.5em } oughtta do it. :) Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #68,397 by cwbrenn 12/12/02 1:17:23 PM Reply	Thanks! About em's... ... how exactly do you calculate them? I've been sticking to points (for font sizes) and pixels (because I can sort of picture that by dividing up my monitor screen) but I'm not familiar with em's so have avoided them like plague. Also, can you use padding on any element? If so, I'd rather use padding to offset articles and responses instead of using the < blockquote > tags, which is what Greymatter does by default. Seems like a kludge to me, but I couldn't find any other way of doing it. "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #68,398 by drewk 12/12/02 1:26:47 PM Reply	On em's and points The problem with using points or pixels is that not everyone uses the same reslution monitor as you do. What looks good on yours may be unreadable on mine. Em's are literally the width of an upper-case[1] M in the default font for the element. So if I scale my fonts up, all the padding scales up to match. [1] I'm pretty sure it's upper. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #68,400 by cwbrenn 12/12/02 1:38:45 PM Reply	so then... So header 1 text, if it were set to display at 14 points, would use the width of a 14 point M for the font it was set to as spacing information, while paragraph text set at 11 points would use width of an 11 point M (for whatever font it was using) as ITS spacing information. Is that right? If that's true, then a header 1 item set to indent at 2 em's would actually be indented in farther than a paragraph item set to indent at 2 em's. How would you set up a consistent margin using only em spacing? As for using pixels, I always set my display to 1600x1200 and make sure that all the information fits with 600 pixels or so... that way I can be sure it will display well on everything but OS/2, which is iffy if you're running 1600x1200 on a 19" monitor. :) "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #68,450 by drewk 12/12/02 4:38:47 PM Reply	If you want a consistent margin ... Then the elements that share that margin must share some logical connection. Otherwise, what's the point of sharing layout elements? So, since the elements are logically connected, they should be withing the same div, and the surrounding div will apply the margin. ie: If you want everything on the page to share a margin, you define a div called "page" and apply the margin to that. And all your content goes within the "page" div. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #68,462 by cwbrenn 12/12/02 5:20:11 PM Reply	Ah, div I always wondered what div was for. Other than the fact that Dreamweaver insists on using it at the drop of a hat. So div is what you use for all the styles you create yourself, that are not actually HTML codes? "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #68,475 by tseliot 12/12/02 6:50:44 PM Reply	div is...complex In a literal definition, you use div to separate layout chunks, nothing more. But precisely because it functions as other block-level elements, only without a meaning-laden name like "h2" or "blockquote", it's open for you to use it as you see fit. So people end up using it for far more things than any one person could hope to describe to you. Which is why Dreamweaver uses it: it's generic; any time they want a style change, they probably output a closing and new opening div tag. So div is what you use for all the styles you create yourself, that are not actually HTML codes? The point I'm trying to make is that div is an HTML code, and for the most part functions like any other block-level element. You just don't have to override the semantic momentum. :) So understand you can "create styles yourself" with any element. Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #68,401 by cwbrenn 12/12/02 1:40:51 PM Reply	Oh, I get it! pad the header tags so that the borders around the heading don't run into the edge of the first letter of the header. Duh. Yes, I believe I'll do that when I get home. :) "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #68,525 by deSitter 12/12/02 10:45:02 PM Reply	The Rest is Details You had the right idea - that's what counts. In my IWETHEY company, you're now the web designer. What I couldn't do with some of the talent here... -drl
Post #68,646 by tseliot 12/13/02 11:45:06 AM Reply	Hey! I want that job! :D Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #68,683 by deSitter 12/13/02 1:19:45 PM Reply	Sorry You're needed in "web technologies research". -drl

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