Bad Web Design

Post #67,479 by deSitter 12/9/02 10:13:23 AM Reply	Bad Web Design Here's a new low - this page suffers from an optical illusion! [link\|http://www.stltoday.com\|StL Post-Dispatch] Look at the graphic menu on the right. Notice the typical resolution stupidity. Notice the infinitesimal fonts. Do they pay people to do this? This is supposed to be a major "re-design" of the site. -drl
Post #67,481 by admin 12/9/02 10:14:45 AM Reply	Fonts look fine to me... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #67,496 by Yendor 12/9/02 10:44:06 AM Reply	Looks perfectly fine and crisp to me. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #67,499 by pwhysall 12/9/02 10:47:53 AM Reply	Re: Bad Web Design Can't really see anything to complain about apart from the fixed width thing. The fonts seem perfect, here. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #67,534 by tseliot 12/9/02 11:42:31 AM Reply	Readable to me, but odd CSS. They specify most font-sizes in px, which is legal but odd. I think someone just got px and pt mixed up, given the values selected. So do you browse at 3200x2400, or just have a 9" monitor? ;) Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #67,564 by deSitter 12/9/02 1:19:24 PM Reply	Re: Readable to me, but odd CSS. 1400x1050 - at that res, the default Arial content font is microscopic. I can't understand at this late stage why people don't understand how to make a reasonable CSS. You know, FrontPage for all its problems at least would do that for you... -drl
Post #67,570 by admin 12/9/02 1:37:39 PM 12/9/02 5:16:35 PM Reply	1600x1200 here. (Just bumped it up... woo!) Still looks fine. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..." Edited by admin Dec. 9, 2002, 05:16:35 PM EST Expand All History
Post #67,554 by bepatient 12/9/02 12:31:51 PM Reply	In the JN sense... ...I agree...that web design is crap. However, everything renders quite well on my machines. It appears that they wanted to bring their site in line with most of the other major news sites...and have succeeded in their task rather handily. Unfortunately all of the sites they wanted to look like are shit, too. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #67,634 by Another Scott 12/9/02 5:33:49 PM Reply	Looks fine here too. Moz 1.2.1 1600x1200x32bx75 Hz, Matrox G450, Win2K, Hitachi CM-771. Maybe Konqueror isn't all it's cracked up to be? [image\|/forums/images/warning.png\|0\|This is sarcasm...] Seriously, now: Are you doing this on your laptop? Are you overdriving your resolution there or on a CRT - e.g. running a higher pixel resolution than the pixel resolution of the display can support (and thus having the pixels overlap)? Just something to throw into the fire... Cheers, Scott.
Post #67,636 by deSitter 12/9/02 5:36:11 PM Reply	Re: Looks fine here too. 1) IE, not Konqueror 2) Laptop screen, the sharpest possible 3) It's simply that the fonts are too small. You guys may have better eyes than me but this is more of an issue of bad web design - a CSS should be used to ensure that the font size is consistently scaled up with the resolution. This is only common sense. -drl
Post #67,637 by Another Scott 12/9/02 5:39:39 PM Reply	The text in buttons is about 1.2 mm high. Looks Nice & Clear
Post #67,639 by admin 12/9/02 5:41:16 PM Reply	Fonts don't look small to me. I'm extremely sensitive to font size as well, with my double vision. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #67,756 by Yendor 12/10/02 4:32:37 AM Reply	Re: Looks fine here too. 3) It's simply that the fonts are too small. You guys may have better eyes than me but this is more of an issue of bad web design - a CSS should be used to ensure that the font size is consistently scaled up with the resolution. This is only common sense. Pray tell...How, exactly, is their web server supposed to know what resolution your monitor is set at? Mind you, I'm not defending anything about their current set-up here, but seriously...How are they supposed to scale their fonts to your monitor res? -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #67,783 by deSitter 12/10/02 9:55:11 AM Reply	Re: Looks fine here too. Pray say, use ems instead of point sizes in setting up the style sheet. -drl
Post #68,029 by pwhysall 12/11/02 12:40:40 AM Reply	If they substituted ems for points.... everything would be somewhat huge, no? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #68,082 by deSitter 12/11/02 9:49:38 AM Reply	Re: If they substituted ems for points.... You don't substitute - you calculate, just like a printsetter. The font gets scaled with the document in an abstract way, as in a PDF. Of course, HMTL/CSS is not a page-definition langauge, so there are issues, but it's a hell of an improvement over fixed point sizes. -drl

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