Daily post limit?

While I can appreciate that, I feel it's a large part of the problem. There's a well-established (and naturally, writing this, I can't find a reference) paradox in public or open forums in that those who have the least to say often provide the most content. I expressed this regarding Kuro5hin's goals as [link|http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?KuroshinGoals|I don't want to keep running away from where all the people are]. The challenge is to promote discussion from those who have something to contribute, to discourage (subtly or directly) contributions from those who can't or won't participate positively. And yes, this is a nontrivial problem.

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There's no "currency" to restrict overzealous participation. My policy at TWIT has been to revoke privileges from abusive users (with plenty of advance warning). zIWT might be able to use more subtle and/or balanced measures. A hysteresis throttle could be a Very Good Thing™ IMVAO.

...but I acknowledge that it sounds right to me. After a while everyone comes to know how active people (like myself) feel on a wide range of topics. A broad base of available if less often expressed experience injects valuable perspective and fresh material.

Put another way, people like me and Karsten tend to function by recyling other people's good ideas. Listen, filter, integrate, and then repeat with minor variations. Without people for us to listen to, we won't have anything interesting to say. That doesn't, of course, mean that we are in any danger of shutting up, unfortunately. Activity is not necessarily connected with the amount of listening, filtering, and integration. It is just that if you don't do those, then your conversation suffers death by repetition.

So to the many lower volume posters here like [link|/forums/render/user?username=broomberg|broomberg], [link|/forums/render/user?username=slugbug|slugbug], [link|/forums/render/user?username=neelk|neelk] and [link|/forums/render/user?username=dshellman|dshellman], thank you. You keep people like me from becoming (more) boring. :-)

Cheers,
Ben

Post #64,809 by kmself 11/24/02 9:17:20 PM Reply	Daily post limit? Any possibility of imposing daily (hourly/weekly/monthly?) post limits, possibly by user? --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #64,810 by boxley 11/24/02 9:47:47 PM Reply	how will I ever surpass Ashton if that happens? will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,814 by folkert 11/24/02 10:12:59 PM Reply	How about a Probation system We have a limit or "Probation" to New users. 2 Posts a day, for a few days, increment a doubling, another fewdays, another doubling... If [link\|/forums/render/user?username=admin\|Scott](or the general quorum here) feels the person or entity is over stepping after an increment, bring them down a notch or 2 or back to newbie status. Maybe similar to the way Advogato does it? Also applying to us "veterans" but giving us about a Million point Bank of points to burn off.... ;) that way people have to become "trusted" as they come here... giving them more points each day, provided they don't specifically get a "de-merit". They would have to be "above" a certain point value to post 2, 4, 6, (infinitum) messages. Maybe implement "relationship" ratings... That way it becomes a very minimal interference, although more cumbersome for display purposes. `[link\|mailto:curley95@attbi.com\|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!] Your friendly Homeland Security Officer reminds: Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.`
Post #64,816 by a6l6e6x 11/24/02 10:26:19 PM Reply	Possible on the surface, but why? Has someone offended you or is the lack of twit filter bugging you? We all have limits and limitations. :) Alex "Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these."\t-- Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 18)
Post #64,826 by admin 11/24/02 10:44:09 PM Reply	Technically possible; ain't gonna happen. Goes against the grain of what we have here. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #64,834 by boxley 11/24/02 11:11:23 PM Reply	thank you sir will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,835 by kmself 11/24/02 11:11:56 PM Reply	Re: Technically possible; ain't gonna happen. While I can appreciate that, I feel it's a large part of the problem. There's a well-established (and naturally, writing this, I can't find a reference) paradox in public or open forums in that those who have the least to say often provide the most content. I expressed this regarding Kuro5hin's goals as [link\|http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?KuroshinGoals\|I don't want to keep running away from where all the people are]. The challenge is to promote discussion from those who have something to contribute, to discourage (subtly or directly) contributions from those who can't or won't participate positively. And yes, this is a nontrivial problem. \r\n\r\n There's no "currency" to restrict overzealous participation. My policy at TWIT has been to revoke privileges from abusive users (with plenty of advance warning). zIWT might be able to use more subtle and/or balanced measures. A hysteresis throttle could be a Very Good Thing™ IMVAO. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #64,836 by admin 11/24/02 11:16:01 PM Reply	User controls for users, not to users IOW, the controls here are intended to provide users with full control over their own environment, while allowing others to use the same environment as they wish to. Putting a limiter on a user violates both those precepts. Again, I fully intend on providing an 'ignore' control; this allows people to regain control over what they see, while allowing the ignored user to do as he wishes as well. I will only restrict users when their actions have become, in my opinion, uncontrollably detrimental to the environment here. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #64,845 by kmself 11/24/02 11:58:57 PM Reply	There's still a level at which a throttle makes sense There are patterns of use which simply aren't typical, or possible, from human participants. Heuristic throttling is a well established (and frequently rediscovered) failsoft mechanism. \r\n\r\n The other side is the idiot's idiot problem: once you've ignored the idiot, you're stuck with all the people who can't manage to ignore the idiot. Again, throttles address that issue. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #64,849 by admin 11/25/02 12:58:51 AM Reply	The idiot's idiot problem: Ignore all idiot posts, and all responses to idiot posts. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #64,837 by boxley 11/24/02 11:19:02 PM Reply	Well this is a problem in any communications system visit a schoolboard meeting or town council, every meeting will have the same faces, some who rail on about OT subjects every week but cannot be stopped due to the nature of a "Public" meeting. On radio and televisio there is a plethora of meaningless babel that one must sift thru to find items of interest and so goes the online communities. The only real solution is the ACLU version, if you dont like it turn it off(ignore posters who annoy you) As long as the venomous right threading stays above the tech issues I think we would be OK exceptions being the programming and licensing sections of course. bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,861 by ben_tilly 11/25/02 7:02:29 AM Reply	I try to violate that paradox :-) ...but I acknowledge that it sounds right to me. After a while everyone comes to know how active people (like myself) feel on a wide range of topics. A broad base of available if less often expressed experience injects valuable perspective and fresh material. Put another way, people like me and Karsten tend to function by recyling other people's good ideas. Listen, filter, integrate, and then repeat with minor variations. Without people for us to listen to, we won't have anything interesting to say. That doesn't, of course, mean that we are in any danger of shutting up, unfortunately. Activity is not necessarily connected with the amount of listening, filtering, and integration. It is just that if you don't do those, then your conversation suffers death by repetition. So to the many lower volume posters here like [link\|/forums/render/user?username=broomberg\|broomberg], [link\|/forums/render/user?username=slugbug\|slugbug], [link\|/forums/render/user?username=neelk\|neelk] and [link\|/forums/render/user?username=dshellman\|dshellman], thank you. You keep people like me from becoming (more) boring. :-) Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #64,862 by Yendor 11/25/02 7:06:37 AM Reply	Eh? You keep people like me from becoming (more) boring. :-) That's possible? ;-) -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #64,864 by ben_tilly 11/25/02 7:11:42 AM Reply	d'oh I asked for that, didn't I? :-) Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #64,865 by Yendor 11/25/02 7:24:49 AM Reply	Y'open the door, I'm a-walkin' through. :) -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #64,963 by slugbug 11/25/02 4:14:52 PM Reply	Heh...
Post #64,831 by Another Scott 11/24/02 11:09:09 PM Reply	I don't think it's advisable. If a poster isn't violating the [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/forum/show?forumid=5\|Guidelines], then they shouldn't have limits on their posting privileges. If a poster wants to annoy others by posting *off-topic* messages, (and I think that's been the main source of disruptions in the recent past), then s/he risks being ostracized by the group, and/or banned. I think that's sufficient sanction. My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
Post #64,853 by Yendor 11/25/02 4:12:32 AM Reply	Naw... ...The Time Has Come for [link\|/forums/render/user?username=admin\|AdminiScott] to implement a twit filter. /me doubts that even he feels like putting it off ~~much~~ any longer. -YendorMike, taking a page from Ashton. [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #64,867 by CRConrad 11/25/02 7:36:57 AM Reply	Hmm... I can't help but wonder - if by... -YendorMike, taking a page from Ashton. you mean, calling [link\|/forums/render/user?username=admin\|admin] [link\|/forums/render/user?username=admin\|AdminiScott] ...then I'm confused -- I've never seen [link\|/forums/render/user?username=Ashton\|Ashton] call [link\|/forums/render/user?username=admin\|Scott] that. I, on the other hand, have. So WTF is it that makes everybody get me and Ashton mixed up, recently?!? Our posting styles aren't THAT similar, are they??? Christian R. Conrad Mechanisation As our souls are slowly stolen The wheels of progress keep steamrolling Mechanisation melts our minds To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link\|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html\|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
Post #64,868 by Yendor 11/25/02 7:47:47 AM Reply	You wonder incorrectly... So WTF is it that makes everybody get me and Ashton mixed up, recently?!? No, I was referring to my use of ~~strikethrough text~~ in the post. Calm down there, ya Bavarian nutcase. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #64,872 by CRConrad 11/25/02 8:16:36 AM Reply	What!?! Well, NOW you're REALLY pissing me off!!! (new thread) Created as new thread #64871 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=64871\|What!?! Well, NOW you're REALLY pissing me off!!!] Christian R. Conrad Mechanisation As our souls are slowly stolen The wheels of progress keep steamrolling Mechanisation melts our minds To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link\|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html\|© Conrad Parker, 1993]

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