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Post #61,042 by SpiceWare 11/4/02 3:37:17 PM Reply	I agree though I think 6 months is rather optimistic. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #61,053 by jake123 11/4/02 4:24:12 PM Reply	I don't think it's optimistic at all Look how many projects have gone into serious production in the last two weeks... they've even been discussed here. Looking at the wider trend, the Rest Of The World wants off the MSFT treadmill, and this decision is going to make that happen a lot more quickly than it was happening before. I'm willing to bet that the EU (outside of UK, perhaps) is going to get their migration seriously going by the end of this year, and will largely be done by the end of next year. To do anything else is dereliction of their duty to their country; the only reasonable conclusion that can be made from reading the judgement (security is blanketed, gov't depts get to stop disclosure for any reason) is that there are backdoors being placed in new versions of windows to aid Ashcroft et. al. in their "anti-terrorism" efforts... and if (like with echelon) some of that data should get into other parts of the gov't, or even into the hands of US based companies, well, that's just an accident of circumstance, right? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #61,062 by Ashton 11/4/02 5:36:36 PM Reply	Well reasoned, but short of convincing It remains unclear (to me anyway) whether the int'l Corporate Ruling Class are vastly less effective in spinning, financing and otherwise corrupting Euro politics [?] Yes I'm tempted to believe that their finest work is among Murican consumer sheep.. they are so unfailingly Randy & Willing to be screwed. The usual sanctimonious shibboleths which seduce judges here, may fail on those who actually teach history and reasoning in their schools. Always, we may hope.. But I have no slightest personal conceit that I comprehend the Euro-equivalents.. nearly well enough, nor can I imagine that 'Truth'-telling is very much more favorably welcomed across the entire homo-sap settlements - in perpetual religiosity-Warz too. We can only hope that Standard Bizness paranoia about NSA backdoors.. prevails - unproven (though surely not unprovable.?.) but simply too obvious for the customary inept denials from the Champion Liar Corp of the World. Let us prey, Ashton
Post #61,071 by jake123 11/4/02 6:59:16 PM Reply	Don't forget, if the gov of Germany... ...gores the MSFT ox on their networks, they're not goring a German ox. This immediately removes a giant blind spot for the relevant decision makers that seems to afflict the current US administration. The issue in the private corps elsewhere in the world... well, all they need to do is to look at the bottom line to have their mind made up for them... the bottom line, and the new licensing terms coming out of Redmond. If you're a French medical equipment research company, do you want to give MSFT the chance to come in and look over your data in case any of it has been improperly downloaded without paying off the relevant media conglomerate? I don't think so... and yet, if you want to have a stable and «koff koff» "secure" version of windows, you'll have to give them the permission and the means to do just that. Who wants to explain that to their shareholders/stakeholders? Nobody... --\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \r\n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \r\n Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #61,081 by Brandioch 11/4/02 7:52:31 PM Reply	The things aspect that I'm betting on. Over here, it was portrayed as a great, home-grown business. We don't want to hurt MS because that would just be hurting ourselves. Over there, that won't exist. If anything, they will realize that THEIR home-grown businesses are NOT thriving because all the <insert local currency here> are being sent to Redmond. This is a great deal for politicians over there. #1. They get to show that they favour the locals over the Yanks. #2. They get to show that they're interested in reducing their imports. #3. They get to show that they want to reduce government expenditures. #4. And, because it is free (like beer), they get to show that they love the children and want them to have access to technology. Personally, I don't see why ANY non-US government hasn't already started funding their own coders to polish / translate the various Open Source offerings. The sooner they do that, the sooner they start saving money, the sooner they start helping their economy, the sooner they start employing their own people, etc. etc. etc. Some can be bought by MS gifts and such. But so what? MS will have to recoup that gift when the next license sweep comes through. Then they'll have another chance to save even more money. :)

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