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New They're Doomed
No one wants XP or .NET (or for that matter, Java or J2EE or whatever). No one will want Office XI. No one has any respect for them. Even their committed support base, Windows programmers, will eventually abandon them. Because most of the non-entities who made a living putting up Windows peecees are now unemployed, that segment of their support base is also lost. Who is left? What can they point to with any pride? They are already dead. It will take a while for all that foul gas to leak out of the overinflated balloon, but it will happen.

MS is no better or worse than Sun, RedHat, Cisco, name it. The entire software industry is a festering pustule, all around. It's not a fit profession for honest people to work in.

Was this verdict surprising? Of course not. Was it realistic? Given the society that produced it, yes.
-drl
New They are already dead? $40B buys a lot of life support. :-<
New A long, painful, while.
The REAL problem that I see is that this ruling, if MS is allowed to wriggle on it, spells the death of the US software industry.

MS will continue to crush any and all competition.

The trend I'm predicting is for more and more of the core programmers (think Linux kernel and such) will not be US citizens. It will be easier and safer to operate somewhere other than the US.

Rather than exporting Windows and importing cash from every other country, our software industry will end up just like our home electronics industry.

MS won't be idle during its decline. It has a huge war chest. It still has a monopoly. It can buy a lot of legislation.

But the end result will be the same, the jobs will be leaving the US.
New I absolutely agree.
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New Schmidt + Ashcroft + THIS: means far more than industry loss
(Schmidt (?) - the ex M$ ""Security"" VP now in DOJ employ, I mean - if that's his name.)

Never mind (well, I appreciate that folks here Must Mind..) the mere Borg assimilation of any remaining conceivable competition - extrapolate next:

A CPU S/N tied to Passport by-any-stupid new name, with all the built-in preps for S/Ns on Everything (accessory) legal to be sold = no cut & paste w/o an individual permit from 'author' == death of US access to the former phenom called The Internet. Petabytes of 'security' info monitored=controlled by M$ or lapdog surrogate.

With the NOISE of a bellicose Rightest-possible Wing group drowning out the outraged, small knowledgeable group left here; a junta ready to defy the world and invade perhaps several countries.. Add-on the gutless Demo clan, the utter unlikeliness of any 3rd Constitution Party.. Sprinkle in the daily panic propaganda orchestrated over the sheep -

Not only may there be only a M$-controlled remnant of a "computer industry"; one with M$-devised sanctions effectively rendering all OS source access to the net illegal if not impossible: the merely devastating US bizness losses may be dwarfed by a fact of most information management becoming solely Corp-owned in the US. (Instead of just Mostly-Corp-owned)

And that's only what appears obvious (to me anyway) immediately; I'm sure I haven't noticed a plethora of variants.

This woman may prove to have been the most destructive Lackey yet - producing more devastating effects than even Scalia's lap-dog. With this mandate, I see no easy escape on the horizon - given the attitude of the vast majority, their ignorance of the consequences - and the current panic mode.

'Democracy' was a noble idea, and it lasted barely a couple centuries. That such a banal bunch of barbarians were able to seed its demise - is the shame of our National insouciance in all worldly matters.


Ashton
If Only. . Judge Jackson could have kept his lip zipped . . .
Just another fucking Ego-besotted twit, his fine intellectual work entirely undone by himself.
New Re: MS now entrenched as part of the 'system'

Whilst I would like to believe as you do that MS is doomed, I don't see that happening among the large corps we deal with - most including the company I am with are falling over backwards to ged into bed with MS.

Tom Siebel is one high-profile CEO who has ent over for Billy. Siebel will develop a full range of CRM software built on .NET, for his trouble, Bill will thrown him a few bones.

The settlement takes me right back to the day Reagan's republican admin let IBM walk at a time that the judge (EdelStein) was preparing to tear the company apart for the level of its guilt & harm done.

A comparison (ps I don't fully agree with the points this person is making re innovation by either IBM or Microsoft. IBM (who I worked for at the time) was every bit as guilty as MS is today, of squashing the most innovative competitors) ...

[link|http://www.independent.org/tii/news/010831Armentano.html|Antitrust or Bust]

extract >>>>

........

Twenty years ago, under very similar circumstances, the Reagan administration handled a major antitrust problem it inherited very differently. IBM was indicted by the Johnson administration's Department of Justice in 1969 and charged with illegal monopolization of the general-purpose digital computer systems market. The suit alleged that IBM had systematically engaged in certain exclusionary practices -- sound familiar? -- that tended to create and maintain a monopoly in violation of the Sherman Act. The case finally went to trial in 1975. Yet after more than six years in court and a trial transcript of more than 104,000 pages, the government abandoned the case in 1982 since, as Assistant Attorney General William Baxter so bluntly put it, the 13-year legal persecution was simply "without merit."

IBM, like Microsoft, was accused of bundling software with hardware and thereby excluding competitors, even though, again like Microsoft, the bulk of the consumer-relevant information demonstrated that IBM had innovated rapidly and lowered prices. Finally, in IBM as in Microsoft, there were disgruntled competitors and business rivals who were anxious to see IBM convicted and "tied up" (as one competitor so colorfully put it) by antitrust regulation for years.

In contrast, although there were no findings of fact in the IBM case, there are very unfavorable ones in Microsoft's case. Yet the only reason that there were no unfavorable findings in the IBM case is because it was withdrawn before the angry trial judge could write one!

..................

New Interestingly, Tom Siebel has recently signed with Sun . .
. . to develope the same stuff using J2EE. Sounds like he likes to keep his bets covered.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
     Can't say I'm surprised. - (inthane-chan) - (33)
         Eh? It's not 4:30 PM EST yet. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             Here - (drewk) - (2)
                 Thanks Drew. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                     Thank /. -NT - (drewk)
         Damn - (drewk) - (5)
             I'd say thats a loophole.. - (bepatient) - (1)
                 Fergit the earth... - (inthane-chan)
             Hmmmm, legal semanitics, maybe? - (Brandioch)
             Loophole the second - (drewk) - (1)
                 Interpretation - (ben_tilly)
         Time to change name to Microsoft was Guilty? -NT - (andread) - (7)
             How about "Microsoft bought the DoJ?" -NT - (inthane-chan) - (6)
                 How about "What happened Davey?" - (drewk) - (4)
                     remember she had a choice of accept/reject and what - (boxley) - (3)
                         So in other words.... - (jb4) - (2)
                             Technicolour yawn time? -NT - (jake123) - (1)
                                 Uh-huh... - (jb4)
                 CKK is BG's bitch -NT - (kmself)
         Re: Can't say I'm surprised. - (SpiceWare) - (1)
             FBOG -NT - (drewk)
         The Reg Chimes in - (SpiceWare)
         I never thought it would be different. - (hnick) - (7)
             They're Doomed - (deSitter) - (6)
                 They are already dead? $40B buys a lot of life support. :-< -NT - (Another Scott)
                 A long, painful, while. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                     I absolutely agree. -NT - (jake123)
                     Schmidt + Ashcroft + THIS: means far more than industry loss - (Ashton)
                 Re: MS now entrenched as part of the 'system' - (dmarker) - (1)
                     Interestingly, Tom Siebel has recently signed with Sun . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         You know my opinion - (ben_tilly)
         I laughed (in frustration) a bit until... - (tseliot)
         Nope - (tuberculosis) - (1)
             It IS you... - (jb4)

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