User state migration: dead box, old disk, new system...how?

Post #59,122 by kmself 10/24/02 1:37:20 PM Reply	User state migration: dead box, old disk, new system...how? I'm clearly missing the blindingly obvious. \r\n\r\n A user's WinNT WS box died here Monday (we suspect a mercy killing, but it was deserved). So, new box on order (eMachines, pretty slick -- 2.2 Athlon (~3500 bogomips) / 512 MB / 100 GB, onboard ethernet, sound, USB, CDR, DVD, etc.). WinXP Pro goes on it yesterday. \r\n\r\n I now have: in the right hand, a new system w/ WinXP on it; in the left hand, a disk from the old box. How does one go about transferring user data and settings between disks? \r\n\r\n \r\n[link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/techinfo/deployment/filesettings/default.asp\|Microsoft' Files & Settings Transfers Wizard] assumes you've got two computers. You can swap crud via floppy, ethernet, or crossover cable, but there's no provision for "snarf old user settings off the old user's drive attached to the current system". At least not that I'm seeing. I've sorta kinda covered this issue at TWikIWeThey: [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MsWindows#User_state_migration\|in the MsWindows topic], but don't have any strong nibbles yet. Searching zIWT didn't turn up any hints. Googling...mostly turns up references to [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/techinfo/deployment/userstate/default.asp\|USMT] and kin. Suspect Norton Ghost may figure into this but not sure how. --\r\nKarsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #59,126 by pwhysall 10/24/02 1:40:49 PM Reply	Re: User state migration: dead box, old disk, new system...h Difficult. Probably what you'll end up doing is fitting the old disk to the new computer and rescuing as much of the profile as possible, piecewise - IOW, boot into XP and copy the old favourites, documents, desktop icons and whatnot across from the %SYSTEMROOT%\\Profiles\\%USERNAME% directory. I can't see a direct migration being possible - unless the XP Files & Settings wizard can work with an existing directory on the local box. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #59,129 by drewk 10/24/02 1:45:49 PM Reply	Local ghost Don't know how this would work with XP, but we had a similar problem once. Installed both disks in the same case. One as "C:" the other as "D:". Using Ghost, cloned from one to the other. Switched jumpers for master/slave, booted to new, larger disk. Might work for you. === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #59,266 by boxley 10/24/02 9:12:32 PM Reply	problem if the hardware is all different best is putting disk in as slave and copying what you can for the user settings. No spare MB's and powers supplies laying around? Break something so you could make a frankenstein box. Or when doing a minor repair, declare the MB fried. order the user a new one and start stashing parts. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #59,133 by pwhysall 10/24/02 1:58:55 PM Reply	Alternative answer Sling the old disk in a box you've borrowed for the occasion, and use the F&STW over the network as intended. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #59,137 by kmself 10/24/02 2:08:00 PM Reply	You're assuming... ...there's spare boxen lying around here. There aren't. That's one of my standing gripes -- I'm thinking of pitching for a removeable disk caddy as a workaround, because getting data on (or off) old disks is a fairly common task. That and VMWare buys me a virtual PC for the purposes of file transfer. \r\n\r\n Though, if I'm lucky, there's a carcass being rebuilt for some purpose (the beauty of `apt-get dist-upgrade` not having been learnt here) lying around which I can drop a drive into temporarially. That's a fallback. \r\n --\r\nKarsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #59,138 by pwhysall 10/24/02 2:09:47 PM Reply	Re: You're assuming... No I'm not :-) Wait until someone takes a day's leave and steal their PC :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #59,267 by boxley 10/24/02 9:13:12 PM Reply	good man, after my own heart will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #59,274 by kmself 10/24/02 10:00:43 PM Reply	What I finally did... \r\n Old drive slaved on new box. \r\n Run FAST (files & settings transfer). \r\n Copy executable from floppy and park it on the slaved drive's root directory. Note that, if this does any good (keep reading) we can simply save the executables to a networked share for later use. \r\n Shutdown. \r\n Old drive as master (WD so <grumble> rejumper...) \r\n Boot WinNT40WS \r\n Run FAST. Save to disk. \r\n Shutdown. \r\n Old drive as slave. Note rejumper.... \r\n Run FAST again, install new settings. \r\n Discover user has changed names. Note that none of the USER.DAT files (user registry entries) were copied over. This is a freakin' joke. \r\n End up copying over stuff by hand. \r\n Spend 45 minutes wrestling with Windows ACLs when Eudora chokes over security issues. Note that WinXP's own security interface is sufficiently bletcherous that a series of `chmod`s and `chown`s in Cygwin is far more effective. Think we've got most of it. \r\n Note that Phoenix, the new Mozilla lightweight browser, doesn't run as a non-admin user. Pity. Nice client. \r\n Wrap. \r\n --\r\nKarsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n[link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
Post #59,345 by static 10/25/02 1:56:50 AM Reply	See, this is why I don't support Windows. Two family members excepted. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #59,427 by tseliot 10/25/02 12:56:28 PM Reply	Last step 16. Gave management a dollar value on time spent bringing forward colors and font sizes. Told them I would not do it again. Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance - Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation. BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
Post #59,602 by static 10/26/02 4:17:03 AM Reply	Last step + 1 17. Told them again in 6 months that I've already told them I wouldn't do it again. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."

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