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New Re: Carter was prez when S.Koreas worst attrocities ...
were committed against the population & then hushed up under pain of death.

The S K prez (a former general) who did it got sentenced to death a few years back (then pardoned). The stories that emerged were not unlike the horror stuff at Kopassus hands, that came out of East Timor after the independance vote there, ).

Some people argued that the Kwangju massacre occured because Carter allowed the new pres (who had just assasinated the previous PM) to quell unrest, esp in Kwangju, by sending in the country's worst butchers (a Special Warfare group trained for killing Nth Koreans & infiltration at the DMZ) in to squash unrest in the region. The SK prez had to get Carter's ok to move those particular troops from the DMZ & Carter gave it knowing what they were & the likely outcome. Carter denied this but freddom of info allowed discovery of communications that *proved* otherwise. The SK govt only ever acknowledged that 240 died when the citizens of Kwangju emphatically insisted that 2000 was a truer figure based on people dissapearing who never returned.

Carter may well have spent many years afterwards atoning for that one act. (while typing this item I came across a press item that raises this very point about Carter, The award & Kwangju - again am pleased that others know of these things)
[link|http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0242/mamatas.php|Carter, Nobel & Kwangju]

[link|http://www.google.com/search?q=Kwangju+MASSACRE&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=n&oq=Kwangju+MSSACRE|Kwangju Massacre Links] Some of this material is pretty sickening stuff, all the more because it was condoned & hushed up by US admin.

[link|http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kwangju3.htm|The Shorrock Article on Kwangju Massace]


Doug Marker

While on this topic - there is an additional irony related to Bush's constant attacks (verbally) on Saddam re using gas against the Kurds - When that 1st happened, US and UK had been supplying the raw materials used to make the gas & US actively hushed the details up just as they did about Kwangju - it seems utter hippocracy for Bush to now trumpet that particular evil deed years after US helped supress the details.

This only goes to prove he falseness & hollow nature of using such events selectively and in devious ways. Nothing justifies gassing civilians, or slaughtering student protesters viciously, just as nothing justified Kopassus attempts to massacre & relocate the *entire pro-independance* population of East Timor after the Independance vote there.

It is sickening when US leaders pretend to be taking the moral high ground when the overwhelming facts are that what is being done is pure manipulation of events for devious political purposes.
Collapse Edited by dmarker Oct. 19, 2002, 10:52:22 PM EDT
Re: Carter was prez when S.Koreas worst attrocities ...
were committed against the population & then hushed up under pain of death.

The S K prez (a former general) who did it got sentenced to death a few years back (then pardoned). The stories that emerged were not unlike the horror stuff at Kopassus hands, that came out of East Timor after the independance vote there, ).

Some people argued that the Kwangju massacre occured because Carter allowed the new pres (who had just assasinated the previous PM) to quell unrest, esp in Kwangju, by sending in the country's worst butchers (a Special Warfare group trained for killing Nth Koreans & infiltration at the DMZ) in to squash unrest in the region. The SK prez had to get Carter's ok to move those particular troops from the DMZ & Carter gave it knowing what they were & the likely outcome. Carter denied this but freddom of info allowed discovery of communications that *proved* otherwise.

Carter may well have spent many years afterwards atoning for that one act. (while typing this item I came across a press item that raises this very point about Carter, The award & Kwangju - again am pleased that others know of these things)
[link|http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0242/mamatas.php|Carter, Nobel & Kwangju]

[link|http://www.google.com/search?q=Kwangju+MASSACRE&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=n&oq=Kwangju+MSSACRE|Kwangju Massacre Links] Some of this material is pretty sickening stuff, all the more because it was condoned & hushed up by US admin.

Doug Marker
Expand Edited by dmarker Oct. 20, 2002, 08:17:00 AM EDT
     Marlowe, any words of wisdom on Nth Korea's nuke pgm ?? - (dmarker) - (40)
         NK to be invaded after discovery of oil there. :) - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
             Not until we have an insurmountable "kim chee" gap -NT - (deSitter)
         Just FYI - (Mike) - (3)
             The timing of the information - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                 The motive is certainly there - (Mike) - (1)
                     Re: Carter was prez when S.Koreas worst attrocities ... - (dmarker)
         The cheap sarcasm is deafening. - (marlowe) - (33)
             You are soooo funny. - (Brandioch) - (12)
                 Patently unfair - (Mike) - (11)
                     What's fair got to do with it? - (marlowe) - (5)
                         Re: From bizzare to even more bizzare - (dmarker) - (4)
                             Right back atcha. To infinite recursion. - (marlowe) - (3)
                                 Huh? - (Brandioch) - (1)
                                     ROFLMAO - (bepatient)
                                 Priceless! My Gramma Lives..___used to say All that stuff! - (Ashton)
                     Cry me a river. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                         Nexus required? - (Mike) - (3)
                             Re: Nexus required? - (deSitter) - (2)
                                 Oh! - (Mike)
                                 Could it be... - (jb4)
             Re: Dumbo strikes again - (dmarker) - (19)
                 I think ...... - (Mike) - (18)
                     It's called a "link". - (Brandioch)
                     Re: Mike, weare not arguing with your points - (dmarker) - (16)
                         Re: Mike, weare not arguing with your points - (Mike) - (15)
                             Re: This oil question - (dmarker) - (14)
                                 Re: This oil question - (Mike)
                                 Israel and oil - (ChrisR) - (12)
                                     No. They wouldn't. - (Brandioch) - (11)
                                         The Israelis are too involved... - (ChrisR) - (10)
                                             How much aid to we send to Israel? - (Brandioch) - (9)
                                                 Security Council resolution 487. Do you EVER ...... - (Mike) - (3)
                                                     I notice you didn't contradict anything I posted. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                                         the other 82k resolutions AGAINST Israel - (boxley) - (1)
                                                             Exactly. - (Brandioch)
                                                 Lots of opinion - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                                     It's called a "position". It is supported with "facts". - (Brandioch)
                                                 Re: Israel doesn't manufacture its own weapons. - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                                                     psst wanna buy an uzi? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                         That's a Bingo! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)

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