The Hell of Sinus Problems

Post #56,436 by deSitter 10/13/02 12:52:50 AM Reply	The Hell of Sinus Problems I think I'd trade having cancer or being gay for clean and dry sinuses. At least I'd have a few weeks without the never-ending drainage, the lungs and bowels full of mucous (the latter particularly odious), the constant watering eyes (to the point of having difficulty reading), the endless sneezes, sniffles, and nose-blowing, the fortune spent on medicines with cumulative side effects, the total sapping of bodily energy that is the overall result. I avoid doctors like I avoid Mets fans. But I've determined I have to do something as I sit here trying to focus on the screen through the eye water. Looks like another night where I will need half a box of Sudafed to sleep. Anyone here have sinus issues? What helped? I'm at my wit's end. Telltale symptom - never ending clear watery Niagaras of nasal discharge. I don't have an infection I think, because that would cause yellow-green snotballs instead of the clear slime I create in physically impossible quantities. -drl
Post #56,443 by boxley 10/13/02 2:38:20 AM Reply	new info on clear slime been hacking up serios lugies since mid september. Went to a doc when I had a tad cash. Prescribed 10 days worth of amox 500ml ceared up the leaking ear. Still have serious snotballs, wet coff, sound like a lunger. My son has been on 25 days worth of antibiotics and his ear is still draining. Think this is either wet nile or TB but the chest xrays came back negative, Unserstand the willingness to change sexual orientation over this it is highly annoying, sbnrefle snort, hack, thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #56,450 by pwhysall 10/13/02 3:53:49 AM Reply	I'll swap yer. I've just spent the past five hours either sitting on the john or throwing up into it. I can't even keep a glass of water down. Suck. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #56,476 by CRConrad 10/13/02 10:37:00 AM Reply	1: Now you see what that British "Curry" culture does to you
Post #56,509 by pwhysall 10/13/02 12:12:57 PM Reply	No beer or curry involved. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #56,477 by CRConrad 10/13/02 10:38:03 AM Reply	2: Or are you, too, getting too old for real binge-drinking?
Post #56,489 by deSitter 10/13/02 11:16:12 AM Reply	Been There Once got amoebas - yes amoebas - from some Chinese duck I ate. Never had a taste for Chinese food since. (PS - don't drink anything, just suck on ice chips.) -drl
Post #56,528 by boxley 10/13/02 3:30:23 PM Reply	naval rum mate (here I use pussers) pour about a 1/2 a shot glass(1/2 a gill) and force it down then sip hot unsweet unmilked tea(not too muxh a couple of sips). You will/might chuck it but repeat every 15 minutes. It will help with the bugs in the stomach and the tea helps with the other end and about a pint down you wont really care. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #56,455 by Ashton 10/13/02 7:25:06 AM Reply	Fungus (?) Recall some time back reading a non-authoritative article to the effect that (as with many houses 'infected' with degrees of, debilitating to humans -type spores) .. many of us are alleged to be carrying around long-running fungi in & around sinus. I haven't investigated further, but Prednisone was suggested in article as the likely nostrum: yet I can recall that even decades ago, thet was the 2nd pill for a new MD to prescribe when they hadn't the fuck of an idea what might really be the problem. Bet - the cost for analysis means any HMO will NOT spend the $ to find out; WILL grab some horrific steroid and send you on your way. (Dunno what fungal tests would be like; since I have a kinda chronic sniff - but not nearly at the level you describe + only occasional sneezes: keep us informed if you get a diagnosis more believable than a Microsoft Fix-pack, OK?) It's on my list (to find out) - know a local osteopath with a great track record. There are so few wise practitioners of Anything, left - we're all in the same boat: living in a society which runs on dissembling & hype and phony machine-produced 'Profe$$ionals' ie Capitalist Corp Medicine. :( Ashton
Post #56,485 by boxley 10/13/02 11:05:18 AM Reply	no not prednisone I have seen what he long erm effects of that drug are, ugly and once on it, never off. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #56,494 by admin 10/13/02 11:28:40 AM Reply	In general, inhalant steroids are Bad News Long term use of such things has been implicated in exacerbating (or even causing) the eye disease I have. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #56,498 by deSitter 10/13/02 11:47:14 AM Reply	Yep I steadfastly refuse to use them for my asthma, and instead prefer the old synthetic adrenaline despite the short-term side effects. -drl
Post #56,503 by ben_tilly 10/13/02 11:59:41 AM Reply	Additional risk for women Bone loss. As my mother discovered in her 50's when she managed to snap both wrists at once. (She was chasing a ball, tripped, grabbed a door...shouldn't have hurt either wrist under normal conditions.) It is a risk for men as well, but men start of with bigger bones so it isn't as worrisome for us. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #56,464 by admin 10/13/02 9:05:41 AM Reply	This time of year... ... it's mold. There's a particular type of mold that changes in September/October causing severe allergic reactions. I used to get the same thing every year: coughing, runny nose (at times I could hold a cup under it for the constant drip), sneezing fits that lasted a good 10 minutes. Now I get allergy shots, and I'm on Zyrtec. The combination makes it bearable. Try the shots, and try a real antihistimine instead of Sudafed. That stuff is crap. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #56,475 by andread 10/13/02 10:32:33 AM Reply	Re: The Hell of Sinus Problems Allergy medicines work differently on different folk see a doc keep switching until something works flonase helped me zyrtec, allegra and claritin didn't A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #56,491 by hnick 10/13/02 11:26:30 AM Reply	I use strong saline I squirt strong saline, not isotonic, up my nose with a syringe. I boil and filter (depending on the water supply) about a half cup of water and add 2 or 3 tablespoons of salt. I measure by eye and usually use sea salt 'cause that's what I keep in the house by preference. I pretty much keep squirting until I can feel it running down the back of my throat. Not pretty, but it works, is cheap, and I avoid yet another batch of drugs. Another couple of coppers, Hugh
Post #56,499 by SpiceWare 10/13/02 11:52:11 AM Reply	Me too, but not quite so strong My doctor recommended doing a saline rinse a few years ago, works well. Just 1 tablespoon per cup, though. Use a [link\|http://www.dmartstores.com/nasasbysaf1s.html\|nasal aspirator] and squirt up one nostril. The crap flushes out the other. Alternate nostrils until the cup of saline solution is gone. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #56,504 by hnick 10/13/02 12:02:40 PM Reply	Developed the ratio emperically I wanted a hypertonic solution to draw moisture from the membranes. Guessed at proportions until I got something that worked.
Post #56,505 by deSitter 10/13/02 12:05:41 PM Reply	Hadn't thought of that... ..was wondering "how can that help?" since basically clear mucous is thick salt water - can I use iodized table salt? What formula? -drl
Post #56,508 by hnick 10/13/02 12:12:40 PM Reply	Iodine shouldn't hurt anything except maybe a delicate sauce :) I use a couple table spoons to a cup of water. Possibly does not need to be that strong. Spice's doc said a tablespoon. Might try that first and adjust according to need.
Post #56,684 by SpiceWare 10/14/02 1:58:07 PM Reply	makes sense My doctor said the saline rinse was used by people who'd had work done on their nose(reconstructive or corrective surgery). The saline helps it heal quicker, kinda like how cuts heal quicker after swimming in the ocean. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #56,512 by a6l6e6x 10/13/02 12:14:36 PM Reply	Works for me, as well. But, I buy it at a drug store - spray saline solution. It's expensive, given what it really is. Alex "In America, anybody can be president. That's one of the risks you take." -- Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965)
Post #56,513 by ben_tilly 10/13/02 12:18:50 PM Reply	I do something like that for sore throats But nastier. If I can see the sore areas, then I put a clump of straight salt on it and leave it there. Really smarts, but knocks out the bugs very consistently. Repeat daily if necessary. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #56,909 by boxley 10/15/02 9:02:10 AM Reply	cheese, I tried it and it burns like snorting comet looked like the broad in "up in smoke" think I will use less salt next time. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #64,948 by admin 11/25/02 2:53:37 PM Reply	O. M. F. G. garble abble friggle bleah! Holy SHIT, that burns! And now my nose won't stop running... Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #64,961 by admin 11/25/02 3:59:06 PM Reply	On the other hand... I can still breathe through both nostrils with my mouth shut for the first time since the Reagan adminstration... very odd feeling. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #64,966 by hnick 11/25/02 4:50:28 PM Reply	I believe I mentioned it wasn't pretty... It does work for me, and while it is initially uncomfortable, I find it preferable to using lighter doses for longer periods of time. I aren't/wasn't trying to set anybody up. Really... Hugh
Post #64,967 by admin 11/25/02 4:52:34 PM Reply	No worries, it was worth it. Just to breathe like that again, if only for a little while :-/ Of course, it's all clogged up again now. Bleah. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #56,496 by Silverlock 10/13/02 11:34:33 AM Reply	Snap judgement You are having a serious allergic reaction to something in your environment. Go get the scratch test and find out what it is. Once you know you can determine if it realistic to try avoiding whatever is causing these symptoms or take the series of shots that builds up immunity to the allergen. The shots work. I've seen the results. It takes a while (a year or 2) but it does work. "A civilian gang of thieving lobbyists for the military industrial complex is running the White House. If to be against them is considered unpatriotic -- Hell, then call me a traitor." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Post #56,500 by deSitter 10/13/02 11:53:24 AM Reply	Re: Snap judgement Maybe I'm allergic to Javascript. Seriously, it's possible, since I live in a very old house next to the Mississippi. Thanks for the suggestion. -drl
Post #56,515 by Silverlock 10/13/02 12:21:49 PM Reply	My ex had the same symptoms for years. Her HMO supplied doc always blew off her complaints and said she was just getting a "low grade cold" all the time. She finally switched doctors on my advice and got one who actually investigated the complaints. Bingo. Allergic to cat dander. Not a chance in hell of her getting rid of her cat so she went for the shots. Started out as 2 shots a week for 3 months, then once a week for 4 months then one very other week and so on. Symptoms started to diminish after about 2 months. "A civilian gang of thieving lobbyists for the military industrial complex is running the White House. If to be against them is considered unpatriotic -- Hell, then call me a traitor." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Post #56,517 by deSitter 10/13/02 12:36:24 PM Reply	Wow.. ..a woman who stood by her cat over personal comfort. What's her phone number? :) I'm fairly convinced now that this must be a specific allergy. I had few if any problems while living in Colorado. -drl
Post #56,531 by admin 10/13/02 3:49:53 PM Reply	Is it always this time of year? Also, there is a biofeedback way to get rid of allergies as well. It worked quite well for a friend of mine; I haven't tried it yet since I already have my shots built up. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #56,520 by Andrew Grygus 10/13/02 12:59:06 PM Reply	For drying up runny nose . . I usually sip a strong tea made from (reasonably fresh) sage leaves (the herb, not the brush). The giant sage that grows wild up around Ojai is excellent for this. Gormet store sage probably won't work, culinary herb farmers grow for appearance, not active ingrediants, but a house that deals in medicinal herbs might have something workable (and a lot cheaper than the gormet stores). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #56,579 by gdaustin 10/13/02 10:37:12 PM Reply	Drier Climate.... When you look at your socialist country idea, you might consider one with a very dry climate. If you're looking at France, stay away from the coast! One thing I have found is that I have sinus problems in any climate that has more than about 25 inches of rain per year. When I visit Colorado, New Mexico, or West Texas ( Lubbock, Amarillo, El Paso ) my sinuses clear out and I feel much better. Too bad I can't seem to find any jobs in the region that pay well. Finally, I've heard theories that our diesel and gas pollution actually contribute to asthma in the major metropolitan areas. Diesel is especially bad because of the dust generated by the exhaust. Glen Austin
Post #56,858 by wharris2 10/15/02 12:11:32 AM Reply	Re: The Hell of Sinus Problems I'd rather have sinus problems, thank you. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #56,869 by deSitter 10/15/02 12:42:07 AM Reply	Yeah, count blessings There are no doubt gays out there with cancer AND sinus problems. -drl
Post #56,883 by tuberculosis 10/15/02 5:51:31 AM Reply	Sounds like allergies If you take Benedryl does it help? I have allergies to anything you might inhale - dogs, cats, horses, ragweed, pollen, mold, farms in general... I get the extra bonus of allergy triggered asthma, I get the sinus thing with a steady drop in lung capacity. Antihistamines help and become necessary in the spring and fall. In Denver, it was the annual cottonwood shedding that sent me to hell every spring. Bronchodialators like ventolin or alupent become necessary and during peak times I occasionally need inhalation steroids for a couple weeks - especially to recover from a cold or similar. Change your venue (go to Arizona for a few days) and see what happens - you'll know then. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #56,907 by drewk 10/15/02 8:56:56 AM Reply	What is it with geeks and allergies? I didn't grow up with allergies, but now I'm a mess throughout the fall and spring. Onset seemd to be about the time I started working with computers full time. Is it something in the silicon or what? === Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #57,116 by tuberculosis 10/16/02 4:56:13 AM Reply	Had em all my life They are better now than they were when I was a kid. I used to wheeze all the time and was kept indoors in the winter time during recess in 1st and 2nd grade because the cold exacerbated the problem. So maybe I compensated for lack of physical development by reading a lot. I went to college in New Mexico - that was amazing - first time I was allergy free (mostly) in my life. Living in Denver was also good. The bay area was less good. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #56,926 by deSitter 10/15/02 10:05:56 AM Reply	Re: Sounds like allergies Yes - in two ways 1) it works systemically as advertised 2) I sleep for days so I don't notice the discomfort. So that's usually out of the question. I actually got along well in Colorado when the natives were suffering. I rarely had any issues while growing up in the South. There must be a habituation component in the opposite direction, i.e. the more you are exposed over time, the more likely you are to develop a reaction. -drl
Post #57,117 by tuberculosis 10/16/02 4:58:33 AM Reply	Then it probably is allergies There are better non-drowsy antihistamines your doctor can give you. I think things like allegra and such. Your other option is to just move to a new climate. It takes a few years for you to develop sensitivity to new allergens. That's why you had a respite in Denver I'd guess. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #58,077 by wharris2 10/21/02 3:00:45 PM Reply	Re: Sounds like allergies Actually, it's kinda weird, up until the past year or two I wasn't much effected by mold, pollen, whatnot - but over the past year I've been blowing up a storm. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
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