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New Tom Paine ___Questions for Conservatives
[link|http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/6493| Marty Jezer] wonders how "conservatives" can manage to swallow such a large load of government manipulation, decidedly unConservative practices and so on. A few vignettes of the track record of the compassionate but scary scared folks in the news.

What was it again, that Conservatives mean to conserve? (besides the money and class-structure). I haven't been able to find an up-to-date 2002 list. Is it classified or are they rewriting it in Newspeak?

Ashton
New Re: Sobering article
Again - on this issue of Bush lying to the American public - I can see it, I don't need anyone to tell me he is doing it. Many other people including polititians and responsible journalists can see it but we here in this forum have fellow posters who seem to be able to look us in the eye (so to speak) and say "no Bush is telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth" ('Nailed it right').

Either these posters are lying barefacedly to the rest of us, or lying to themselves, or are so intellectually impared that they are barely able to judge anything outside their immediate survival in a safe comfort zone.

I am willing to bet that their IQ's all added together would not come near just Ashton's IQ alone (mind you that is a high target - we are not all mensa material). An awful thing to say about you guys in that boat (you know who you are) but I am willing to put some money on it being very close to true (what we often used to call 'a low mips rating' in IT circles).

Doug Marker

#2 - the more I think about this I can see that possibly some here may lack extensive life experience - I think I can comprehend it if we have people under 30 making some of the Bush tells the truth statements. The willingness of some young and still forming minds to believe they are not being lied to can be powerful, that can be forgiven. If you guys aren't in this category then it has to be the other conclusions already mentioned. I pity you.

For anyone who believes that US presidents don't lie - go suck a dummy - best comforter ever invented & highly appropriate (they taste lovely when dipped in honey (so my grandaughter implies) even better when dipped in brandy, dulls the pain (teething pain that is)).

For anyone who believes that oil and US politics aren't tightly interwoven, I have no suggestions. You just don't get it. Nothing I could say is likely to change that. Oil *is* the lifeblood of the US economy (among others). So many folk just can't make the connection between the stability of oil supply, the current economic downturn and why Iraq is so critical to current US politics.


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New How to tell when a politician is lying . .
His mouth is moving.

The sad truth is, Bill Gates is more likely to tell the truth than a politician - any politician - any party.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New go suck a dummy
strine and merican two countries separated by a common language. That phrase can mean a whole different thing over here. We use binky or pacifier.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane."
Lyndon LaRouche
New Re: go suck a dummy - Hmmm what is a dummy in US ?
<grin>

You meant to tell me that the delightful phrases

"X spat the dummy", or

"X did a dummy spit" or

"No dummy spits here thanks"

Aren't understandable in US parlance - surely these phrases originated in US ???

(a dummy spit is to throw a tantrum in Oz & pommy parlance (oz = Oztralia, pommys are brits - derived from pommegranate (red cheeks when sunburned or pissed (pissed means 'drunk as a skunk' (aha skunk is from US)))))) <grin>

Doug
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New dummy is a not so smart human like dumass, dum-dum
dummy up is to shut up like a mute. etc
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane."
Lyndon LaRouche
New Sorry, Doug...
The Ynakee lexicon is (mercifully) devoid of such constructs. ;-)

Can you translate?
jb4
"About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. "
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra (1930 - 2002)
(I wish more managers knew that...)
New Re: Sorry, Doug... What, the actual words or the hidden ones
<grin>

In UK & Oz & NZ, the word dummy has many meanings including the ones Bill mentioned. Perhaps that is why we like playing with it so much.

Dummy is a pacifier
Dummy is a 'soft' idiot (very mild definition, almost a term of endearment as in - "don't be such a dummy")

Am sure it is derived from Dumb.

As to the expressions
"Go suck a dummy" - that is a putdown that implies the target is infantile, or doesn't understand what is going on around them, or needs pacifying.

"He spat the Dummy" is a common expression that means the person when confronted with something difficult or unplesant, threw a tantrum or 'flew off the handle', reacted strongly & loudly.

"A dummy spit" then, is another way of describing a big reaction to some kind of confronting situation.

The derivation is that when a baby is crying one gives it a 'dummy' to suck in order to try & quiet it down, but a baby intent of sqawking or crying or screaming, spits the dummy out then performs per its intent (in effect a tantrum).

Cheers

Doug Marker
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New ROFLMAO!
Thanks for the help learning queen's English!

Very entertaining!

:-))
jb4
"About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. "
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra (1930 - 2002)
(I wish more managers knew that...)
New IWE First Mate Invents New Computer Langauge
(a dummy spit is to throw a tantrum in Oz & pommy parlance (oz = Oztralia, pommys are brits - derived from pommegranate (red cheeks when sunburned or pissed (pissed means 'drunk as a skunk' (aha skunk is from US)))))) <grin>

What is this Doug - HTMLisp?
-drl
New I choose #3.
Either these posters are lying barefacedly to the rest of us, or lying to themselves, or are so intellectually impared that they are barely able to judge anything outside their immediate survival in a safe comfort zone.


[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=55517|Link to one such exchange]
New Re: Sobering article
{blush}

Fortunately for this ego, them IQ number thingies were just high enough to get moi into a certain amount of *useful trouble - and a lot of others too, I noticed en passant. *that which teaches you just how unsmart you are, just in time..

More practically, I noticed from my first intro into Big Science (within weeks, that is) that technical prestidigitation skills had little correlation with reason, say (except nice mechanical logic) and zippo to do with psych/people knowledge. (And politics is at base - the manipulation of people to Like you and swallow your rationalizations, for doing so.)

The second thing I noticed there, was the inordinate representation of a mindset among many of technicians which was altogether familiar to me: that of my wacko Gramma. 'Compassion' was a word in the dictionary, and "people are all just like me - they want what I got because *I'm* so Smart" yada yada - seemed the rationale for a simplistic view of what is 'fair' and why numbers could measure that. I still find this observation strange; maybe my sample was too small - but 100+ folks over the years is at least a viable base.

Views on how the country should be 'run' aside: I am just as as puzzled today - by the blind acceptance of the propaganda output of the current cabal; this despite all the traceable examples, thanks to today's comm. techno, of gross exaggerations [re Saddam's imagined next intentions]. Then there have been the outright dissembling cases - fabrication of 'data' suggesting that the generalizations must be true-ish. Etc. Makes no difference to a mindset.

The drum beat to rush to begin hostilities has been palpable; the almost daily appearances of the Hawk-figures from a generation back, a few weeks ago became almost comical - not only in the surreal and ever-changing bases for panic, but for the ez predictability of the next scare-bytes. Blab-words, redundant ones in the same sentence.

And if these faux arguments prove effective (have proven effective, then) - it can mean only that Damn Few Muricans alive and pretending political opinions today, know Who-the-fuck Paul Joseph G\ufffdbbels was and what exactly He did - so well. (Fortunately this crop is a bunch of amateurs compared with PJG. Unfortunately, maybe they don't have to be very good, if the target audience isn't very good either).

Anyway, all I can be sure of is, that ignorance kills - and I see heaped dead burned bodies in our future and new legions of Murican Assassins r'Us who shall be spawned from every body part of an ex- loved-one they collect.

There have been some brief, methodically detailed and even eloquent speeches over the past couple days of radio coverage of the Congressional antics. I've heard maybe 12 hours of such. Most often though, the 'rebuttals' to those have talked right past the points enumerated; have immediately switched into jingoistic-jargon mode and bellicose threat-phrases: as if the prior speaker had said nothing.

We shall see shortly, if the final Rah Rah 'Unity' document incorporates the safeguards against megalomania, mentioned. Whatever. It SHALL be rushed into, no matter what.


Ashton
who refuses to take personal delivery of the national embarrassment due.
(You should see! the Platinum Parachutes these Corp-supported now.. 'Executive-style' representatives have cumulatively voted themselves, over recent years: echoing the Corporate CIEIO/worker compensation ratios.) We *know* where they got their inspiration! And they know no shame.
New Re: Tom Paine ___Questions for Conservatives
Strange, I was reading Paine the other day, "The American Crisis" - always a good read. I can imagine how ballistic he would go to see the likes of Shrub in the highest office.

Paine online:

[link|http://www.thomaspaine.org|http://www.thomaspaine.org]
-drl
New Not just Shrub -
The ovine mob-stampeded US Congress in full-blown ex-Constitutional bluster, despite even (Yes - eloquent) pleadings that it SLOW DOWN this rush to abdicate its own responsibilities!

I dunno if Tom Paine could have envisioned such actions by people actually *elected* to power - in his day: shamelessly abdicating that Power to One Man. I mean - who can envision it Today?

Well... some of those present will be remembered for having tried to preserve the Constitutional basis of the pre-PATRIOT USA. The others shall eventually - be listed ignominiously among the sheep. And we can hear it all Live. Only hope I see is that: Byrd is a chessmaster of the Rules of the Senate. He may be the one whose performance we become most grateful for. Whether or not he succeeds.


Ashton
New Re: Not just Shrub -
Well, even in the beginning, after the revolution was won, there was bitter rancor among the Madison and Hamilton camps RE the role of the executive. It's not as if everyone agreed on the best course. In some sense it wasn't really decisively answered until the Civil War. Would the states that agreed to conferedation under a central authority have done so knowing that it was a one-way agreement? Probably not.
-drl
     Tom Paine ___Questions for Conservatives - (Ashton) - (14)
         Re: Sobering article - (dmarker2) - (10)
             How to tell when a politician is lying . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             go suck a dummy - (boxley) - (6)
                 Re: go suck a dummy - Hmmm what is a dummy in US ? - (dmarker2) - (5)
                     dummy is a not so smart human like dumass, dum-dum - (boxley)
                     Sorry, Doug... - (jb4) - (2)
                         Re: Sorry, Doug... What, the actual words or the hidden ones - (dmarker2) - (1)
                             ROFLMAO! - (jb4)
                     IWE First Mate Invents New Computer Langauge - (deSitter)
             I choose #3. - (Brandioch)
             Re: Sobering article - (Ashton)
         Re: Tom Paine ___Questions for Conservatives - (deSitter) - (2)
             Not just Shrub - - (Ashton) - (1)
                 Re: Not just Shrub - - (deSitter)

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