There's a flag on that play.

Post #5,153 by Brandioch 8/14/01 4:23:40 PM Reply	There's a flag on that play. "Brandioch's right to his own image is far more tenous because it bumps up against "Freedom Of The Press" and maybe "Freedom Of Speech" which are already defined rights in law." Jay is using references that were "illegal" and crafted by "criminals". "So until a law comes about that grants a person the right to not be photographed, that expressed right falls against already espablished legally granted rights" Okay, so, until England recognized the colonies "right" to form a nation, they had no such right. Again, rights usually aren't lost via revolution, but that is the way they are usually regained.
Post #5,156 by Fearless Freep 8/14/01 4:33:23 PM Reply	Pick the flag up Again, rights usually aren't lost via revolution, but that is the way they are usually regained. No kidding. Until those with the power to ignore your rights recognize and respect those rights, you don't really have them in any meaningful way because you can't express them. Sometimes you have to kick them in the teeth to make them recognize your rights. I could say "I have the right to shoot every third person who drives past my house", but there are those who would deny me that right, and have the power to do so, so my expression of that right is meaningless Okay, so, until England recognized the colonies "right" to form a nation, they had no such right. Legally? No Morally? Yes Is the distinction sinking in yet? Very few revolutions are 'legally' right because they are revolutions against the current legally system. They may be morally right based on local definitions of morality Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #5,157 by DonRichards 8/14/01 4:33:33 PM Reply	Others have stated it more elegantly "We hold these truths to be self-evident... ...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " Did anyone notice that part that reads "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"? I do not consent to have my image recorded while in public without my express permission. The whole concept of these public recording devices linked to face recognition software and stored in permanent databases stinks to high heaven. If you can't see how it is incompatible with that nice bit of prose quoted up top, I feel for you. "When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"
Post #5,163 by Fearless Freep 8/14/01 4:54:08 PM Reply	Not sure who you are talking to... Did anyone notice that part that reads "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"? Yes, that's why I've been using terms like "Community" and "those with the power.." because, to me, the government should be an extension of the will of the community of people gathered together. In an ideal world, the community bforms the government, whom governs the people of the community according to the will of the community. That doesn't usually happen. And sometimes you get bullies and tyrants who do not derive their powers from consent but derive their unjust powers from might. The whole concept of these public recording devices linked to face recognition software and stored in permanent databases stinks to high heaven. If you can't see how it is incompatible with that nice bit of prose quoted up top, I feel for you. I agree. But it's an interesting journey between what is wrong and what is a right and I've been more focused on the quanderies of the journey itself Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #5,178 by Brandioch 8/14/01 5:59:53 PM Reply	The journey is the destination. Without understanding why something is "right" or "right" or "right", how can you tell whether something is "wrong"? And the only way to tell is to watch yourself as you go from one to the other. Core values and beliefs.

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