In other words, your stance is unsupported by facts.

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Post #5,098

by addison

8/14/01 2:57:06 PM

In other words, your stance is unsupported by facts.

Does the frequency matter?

Sometimes, yes.

Gee, I guess if someone goes out of business, then it isn't right.

Nope. But you don't see many people pursuing cases.

For a situation where there is a "god-given right", that seems awful strange.

They sure do sue in a hurry for libel/slander. And for invasion of privacy, if it occurs.

So why, if you're right, aren't there gazillions of cases to back you up?

Care to try again?

Addison

Post #5,121

by Brandioch

8/14/01 3:32:35 PM

I should have been more clear.

I asked:
"Does the frequency matter?"

You replied:
"Sometimes, yes."

I should have asked:
"Why, in this particular discussion, would the frequency matter."

Then you ask:
"So why, if you're right, aren't there gazillions of cases to back you up?"

Because this is a NEW CONCEPT?

The technology has progressed to a point where this type of invasion is now possible.

For slander/libel all you needed was a means of communication. We've had that for 3000 years.

To beat Bill to it - Tampa Survellience cameras as seen on - (addison) - (153) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:43:00 PM EDT

Anecdotes won't cut it. - (Ashton) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:38:51 PM EDT

That isn't the technology, that's the privacy. - (Brandioch) - (151) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:53:06 PM EDT

Well...have to agree with you there... - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2001, 07:09:33 PM EDT

Yup. - (addison) - (149) - Aug. 9, 2001, 10:46:15 AM EDT

Actually, isn't the technology a dismal flop? - (wharris2) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:14:38 PM EDT

And the starting point is.... - (Brandioch) - (147) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:39:34 PM EDT

Ok. - (addison) - (146) - Aug. 9, 2001, 02:59:06 PM EDT

Think guns. - (Brandioch) - (145) - Aug. 9, 2001, 04:41:10 PM EDT

So umm.... - (Fearless Freep) - (144) - Aug. 9, 2001, 04:53:18 PM EDT

it is if you sell it or use for monetary gain - (boxley) - Aug. 9, 2001, 06:09:20 PM EDT

There is not law, yet. - (Brandioch) - (142) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:21:27 PM EDT

*Shrug* your parallel, not mine - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2001, 11:47:37 AM EDT

You didn't read the other thread, did you? - (Brandioch) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:13:46 PM EDT

Re: There is not law, yet. - (addison) - (139) - Aug. 10, 2001, 01:45:09 PM EDT

Again, guns. - (Brandioch) - (138) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:23:47 PM EDT

Strawman. - (addison) - (137) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:36:15 PM EDT

Nope. Note the qualifier. - (Brandioch) - (136) - Aug. 10, 2001, 07:04:40 PM EDT

Yes. - (addison) - (135) - Aug. 11, 2001, 09:49:44 PM EDT

You don't know what "strawman" means. - (Brandioch) - (134) - Aug. 12, 2001, 12:05:07 PM EDT

I understand the implications and ramifications - (addison) - (133) - Aug. 12, 2001, 12:53:52 PM EDT

Once again, legal vs "right". - (Brandioch) - (132) - Aug. 12, 2001, 02:41:00 PM EDT

You have a choice. - (pwhysall) - (131) - Aug. 12, 2001, 04:51:56 PM EDT

Also "Hero". - (Brandioch) - (129) - Aug. 12, 2001, 07:22:31 PM EDT

Apples and Oranges - (pwhysall) - (128) - Aug. 12, 2001, 08:03:33 PM EDT

'Struth. - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 12, 2001, 09:21:47 PM EDT

1984 ___ Brave New World - (Ashton) - Aug. 12, 2001, 09:45:09 PM EDT

That was covered in the other thread, also. - (Brandioch) - (125) - Aug. 13, 2001, 01:10:13 AM EDT

Perhaps. - (pwhysall) - (124) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:56:57 AM EDT

Yep. - (Brandioch) - (118) - Aug. 13, 2001, 01:53:33 PM EDT

Well said! - (imric) - (82) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:21:33 PM EDT

Is it? - (addison) - (81) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:28:37 PM EDT

So? - (imric) - (80) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:26:17 PM EDT

Nope. - (addison) - (79) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:58:36 PM EDT

Nope, you're wrong. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:21:35 PM EDT

Fair enough. - (imric) - (77) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:47:16 PM EDT

From their point of view - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:58:41 PM EDT

Its all in the Point Of View. - (addison) - (75) - Aug. 13, 2001, 09:01:08 PM EDT

And you repeatedly use the idea of 'public' - (Ashton) - Aug. 13, 2001, 09:10:34 PM EDT

Nope. - (Brandioch) - (73) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:31:34 PM EDT

look at the gov of Minnesota - (boxley) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:35:34 PM EDT

Does that protect against photos or just publication? -NT - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:41:29 PM EDT

publication -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:58:48 PM EDT

So he's trademarked the use of his image... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:10:15 PM EDT

yup thats my point, take my picture - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2001, 09:04:42 PM EDT

Nope - (Fearless Freep) - (9) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:39:54 PM EDT

"Happens all the time." - (Brandioch) - (8) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:47:14 PM EDT

Oh c'mon!!!! - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:55:06 PM EDT

I gotta get back in time! - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:26:12 PM EDT

Ya gotta read the posts - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:36:24 PM EDT

More philosophy for you to consider. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:12:25 PM EDT

Give that man a cookie - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:44:37 PM EDT

And why do you think I would NOT do that? - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:19:09 PM EDT

In other words, your stance is unsupported by facts. - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:57:06 PM EDT

I should have been more clear. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:32:35 PM EDT

Come now - (pwhysall) - (15) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:18:03 PM EDT

Where do you see that? - (Brandioch) - (14) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:49:58 PM EDT

Re: Where do you see that? - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:53:39 PM EDT

complete the thought - (Fearless Freep) - (12) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:02:22 PM EDT

You're almost there. - (Brandioch) - (11) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:13:45 PM EDT

Funny. - (addison) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:18:30 PM EDT

ROTFLMAO - (Brandioch) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:35:30 PM EDT

I think you hit your head. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:44:38 PM EDT

Bingo!!! - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:29:06 PM EDT

Thank you. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:38:03 PM EDT

Try again - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:51:17 PM EDT

You didn't read my posts. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:04:50 PM EDT

And again reread - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:24:25 PM EDT

Try it with comprehension this time. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:39:46 PM EDT

sheesh - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:03:07 PM EDT

Context. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:24:30 PM EDT

Sorry. But now you're fighting physics. - (addison) - (41) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:29:02 PM EDT

Oh, come ON. He didn't say PEOPLE couldn't look. - (imric) - (40) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:40:28 PM EDT

No, you come on and read what he did say. - (addison) - (39) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:49:53 PM EDT

Cameras != eyeballs. - (Brandioch) - (38) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:04:54 PM EDT

Actually - (Fearless Freep) - (11) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:09:46 PM EDT

Already addressed in your previous post. - (Brandioch) - (10) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:39:27 PM EDT

yawn - (Fearless Freep) - (9) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:58:38 PM EDT

Re: yawn - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:01:58 PM EDT

It's called "reading with comprehension". - (Brandioch) - (7) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:31:43 PM EDT

Whoa! Here's a radical thought! - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:35:41 PM EDT

Been waiting for that one - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:56:03 PM EDT

I was much older then, I'm younger than that now. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:54:34 PM EDT

because - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:09:28 PM EDT

You cannot shoot me. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:39:38 PM EDT

Too bad the posting lacks said same. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:41:09 PM EDT

No kidding - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:44:01 PM EDT

Not currently. - (addison) - (25) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:16:21 PM EDT

There is a distinction. BTW, have they even worked? - (wharris2) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:41:40 PM EDT

Not in this context, and I don't know. - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:57:36 PM EDT

That only has one solution - (wharris2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:57:37 PM EDT

Thanks for your participation. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:41:41 PM EDT

I've gravely mistaken... - (addison) - (20) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:49:47 PM EDT

Because you don't agree with me does not make me wrong. - (Brandioch) - (19) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:18:22 PM EDT

Nope, it doesn't. - (addison) - (18) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:34:56 PM EDT

And man will never fly. - (Brandioch) - (17) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:10:12 PM EDT

So after 2 weeks... - (addison) - (16) - Aug. 14, 2001, 11:52:51 PM EDT

And the loop starts again. - (Brandioch) - (15) - Aug. 15, 2001, 01:48:29 PM EDT

I can but hope that you really don't think this way. - (addison) - (13) - Aug. 15, 2001, 02:30:57 PM EDT

Sorry. You ARE authoritarian. - (imric) - (12) - Aug. 15, 2001, 06:20:47 PM EDT

However, I do have the ability to read and understand. - (addison) - (11) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:09:34 PM EDT

I'm not sure that's true. - (Ashton) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:24:33 PM EDT

Bullshit. Learn to use a dictionary. - (imric) - (9) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:44:24 PM EDT

Learn to read - (addison) - (8) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:51:17 PM EDT

Good? At what? - (imric) - (7) - Aug. 15, 2001, 09:48:37 PM EDT

howsabout we all chip in and Buy Addy a poloroid camera - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2001, 10:28:03 PM EDT

Re: Good? At what? - (addison) - (5) - Aug. 15, 2001, 10:35:46 PM EDT

Heh.. You__still__don't__ Get!__it__...____a-tall. -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 15, 2001, 11:46:04 PM EDT

Again, strawman. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Aug. 16, 2001, 12:40:32 PM EDT

Agree except for one point - (DonRichards) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2001, 02:38:51 PM EDT

Amen (to coin a phrase) - (Ashton) - Aug. 16, 2001, 04:12:58 PM EDT

Its not a strawman if its exactly what you're saying. - (addison) - Aug. 21, 2001, 02:29:19 PM EDT

utter agreement - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2001, 03:22:05 PM EDT

What about *their* rights? - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:26:06 PM EDT

Err on the side of more freedoms. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:40:53 PM EDT

Errrrrrr..... - (addison) - (32) - Aug. 13, 2001, 04:03:30 PM EDT

Yep! - (Brandioch) - (31) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:49:46 PM EDT

But that flies in the face of what you said earlier. - (addison) - (30) - Aug. 13, 2001, 08:42:00 PM EDT

'Privacy' appears to distress you. Try - (Ashton) - Aug. 13, 2001, 09:04:07 PM EDT

I own my image. - (Brandioch) - (28) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:23:30 PM EDT

Problem is... - (Fearless Freep) - (24) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:41:49 PM EDT

Bulls**t - (DonRichards) - (20) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:50:29 PM EDT

Try it - (Fearless Freep) - (19) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:58:01 PM EDT

Still don't agree - (DonRichards) - (14) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:07:52 PM EDT

Disconnect - (Fearless Freep) - (13) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:17:33 PM EDT

and Clarification - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:21:19 PM EDT

Cough. That's Declaration of Independence... - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:53:59 PM EDT

Not really. - (addison) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:41:45 PM EDT

Umm..actually.... - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:45:52 PM EDT

Errr. He was? -NT - (addison) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:51:14 PM EDT

Yeah... - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:59:07 PM EDT

Oh. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:00:24 PM EDT

NCRs unite! - (DonRichards) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:15:34 PM EDT

There's a flag on that play. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:23:40 PM EDT

Pick the flag up - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:33:23 PM EDT

Others have stated it more elegantly - (DonRichards) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:33:33 PM EDT

Not sure who you are talking to... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:54:08 PM EDT

The journey is the destination. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:59:53 PM EDT

oops... - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:09:05 PM EDT

That's one way to look at it. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:54:14 PM EDT

One and the same - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:05:05 PM EDT

Insert standard example here. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:40:46 PM EDT

"legal" == "right" - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:47:15 PM EDT

Without all the detail - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:53:06 PM EDT

You can't handle that from the context? - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:23:59 PM EDT

Actually, I think you own your painted image too... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:58:46 PM EDT

I'm wrong. - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:38:59 PM EDT

Not currently, you don't. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:35:10 PM EDT

Wrong verb - (jb4) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 09:44:39 AM EDT

Ahem - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 11:33:32 AM EDT

but the repos and dems ARE left wing, at least to some of us -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 11:38:55 AM EDT

Well Ox, if you Really think that, - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:25:58 PM EDT

naw both a buncha commies :) - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2001, 09:17:03 PM EDT

welcome to ox island diplomatic passports fer sale - (boxley) - Aug. 12, 2001, 08:49:45 PM EDT

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