Post #49,671
8/17/02 5:08:15 AM
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Ahh.. Nasty stuff.
I was referring to the larger (more nearly 'adult') population and not the inevitable problems of babies [trying Any kind of stuff because it's In]. IMhO that is more about immaturity made worse by dope - including plain ol deadly nicotine, beer etc.
Marijuana is hardly a drug of choice for acting out aggressions, despite your experiences with this bunch of jerks. But BTW the same sort of utter misuse - is occurring with MDMA / Ecstasy, and apparently for the same sheep-like reasons:
While it is an amphetamine hybrid, it was never meant to be mixed with alcohol / other stuff + atavistic music stimulus (just as psych-active as chemicals). It is about producing a calm state, which it does, in pure form and without deliberate other stimuli added. Note that amphet. given to now many children, indeed produces the opposite effects (calming too) to the popular 'speed' behaviour -in many children.. Maybe just one difference between small children and adults. Teen-age? Who knows what the hormones add to the mix. Chemistry.
Your experience demonstrates that marijuana, whatever its common use: doesn't stop really stupid people from acting out. I assert only that - that stupid shit Isn't "caused by the marijuana" per se! Clear? (And obviously - the m. can't prevent! those acts)
Ashton
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Post #49,964
8/20/02 8:57:09 PM
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Disagree.
that stupid shit Isn't "caused by the marijuana" per se! Nonsense. Every bit of experimental evidence belies this. I will grant that all of this hinges upon one's definition of "stupid", but the brain clearly processes information differently under the effects of even a minimal amount of THC. And THC remains in the brain much longer than most foreign stimulants/depressant. I suspect my anecdotal experience is common. Of the people I know who have smoked dope, they are VASTLY intellectually, academically and as logical thinkers, dramatically inferior to those folks I know who have never smoked dope. For the moment on the Right Wing Box, Mikem
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Post #49,997
8/21/02 3:55:20 AM
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Nil data.
Never seen this vastness you speak of. Could cite some who ceased being neurotic twits, via an occasional toke - but I don't know anyone currently, who has regularly used m. over many years - whose peformance I might imagine to measure. Personally I found it to be not attractive, so I can't even 'test' myself. :-\ufffd
Acid I have had some slight experience with, and I wouldn't dream of affixing a good/bad label to it; I know of some extremes of results - and it appears no one has bothered to find out since: how to predict umm 'cui bono' ? A few had their lives altered quite for the best - in their opinion. I take their word on that. I found out a couple things too - mainly about the fearfulness of the mass.
Part of the problem of assessment of both has been / remains - the unwillingness to do any sufficient and trustworthy studies; Puritanism Doesn't Want to Know: It Judges. All current 'official' judgments are purely Religious, with only a smattering of small more nearly 'objective' ones. I trust none in this climate of allopathic medicine and stubborn resistance to honest enquiry. (cf. stem cells - deja vu) Muricans will allow Fundamentalist dogma to limit ... too much to describe. People whose chronic pain is relieved - have to fight an AG, even after passing laws in their own State. Dogma.
I won't argue with your personal observations, nor be convinced either.
Ashton
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Post #50,031
8/21/02 11:30:56 AM
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No Connection
Getting high started happening a few hours after the first breath, the first boink, and the first meal. As humans have always instinctively known, reality sucks and moreover is incomprehensible. Therefore altered states and the desire to experience them have and always will be with us.
Zippo connection with intelligence - although personally, I'd say straight arrows are not only more boring (less interesting) than indulgers, they are also duller and less imaginative.
-drl
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Post #50,059
8/21/02 4:49:24 PM
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{snort}________:-\ufffd
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Post #50,220
8/22/02 7:46:28 PM
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Interesting fact
while I was a teenager, and in a mental hospital for a few times, I was the only teenager at that time that didn't smoke pot. Everyone else I talked to in the hopital told me that they did smoke pot at one time at least. They had asked a question about who did smoke pot and those who did raised their hands, everyone raised their hands but me.
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Post #50,418
9/4/02 4:12:23 PM
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You're not the Lone Ranger ;-)
I turn 43 next week and I am probably the only person that age who can look his/her kids in the eye and honestly say, "I never did". I guess that makes two of us now, eh? ;-)
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Post #50,436
9/4/02 5:15:55 PM
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Got ya beat.
I attended The Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington for about 3.5 years - and I was probably one of three people in the entire history of the school who managed to avoid ingesting ANY drugs of any sort while I was there.
Believe me, this was quite a feat.
End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
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Post #50,451
9/4/02 6:07:38 PM
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I dunno....
I grew up in Southern California. I attended Bancroft Junior High School (the one that was on 60 minutes for having a per capita drug abuse statistic higher than any educational institution in the state - and that includes Berkley!). Then, I went to high school at Lakewood Senior High School (home of the "Spur Posse" that made news in the '80's).
I was a teen-ager in the 70's in Southern California, surfed, scuba dived, etc. and didn't use drugs (okay, well, except for alcohol, and then only beer, and then only after I graduated high school, and then only to excess ;-).
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Post #50,498
9/4/02 8:54:04 PM
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The Three Amigos!
We three, who never did drugs. Except maybe in college when we smoked cigarettes or drank beer/booze. But that doesn't count, as those are legal drugs.
I don't drink or smoke anymore. Not for a long time. I am just a little bit insane and I get my highs from life and having fun with my friends and video games and other stuff.
[link|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]
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Post #50,526
9/4/02 9:57:26 PM
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The 'green...
At the time, this was the College that Kurt Cobain 'n crew were hanging out at, dreaming about hitting the big time, holding massive dorm parties practically every weekend. This was the college where the teachers served tea made out of some rather interesting mushrooms for the senior tea. The second most common item on campus (after clothing) was a water bong. They practically issued them to the dorm rooms - every dorm had at least one, including the so-called "drug-free" apartments. Now, admittedly, I can't touch your pedegree as far as your experiences prior to college, but Evergreen was pretty much the Land of Eternal Munchies.
I never even so much as drank a beer while I was there.
End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
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