Post #49,105
8/12/02 5:50:31 PM
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Asian Brown Cloud Could Kill Millions
[link|http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/08/12/asia.haze/index.html|Asian Brown Cloud Could Kill Millions]
Where is [link|http://us.imdb.com/Title?0067148|Godzilla] when you need him (or is it her ... or it?)
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Chris Altmann
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Post #49,116
8/12/02 7:53:24 PM
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Our obsolete computers, at work.
Some months ago I read an article describing the megatons of e- crap shipped back to this area: all those >6 mos. old boxes and such.
Cyanide leaches out the trace gold; a few other things are salvaged - by macerating all the boards into a slurry, then chemical treatment and - finally the dried detritus is burned, releasing all the heavy metals Not reclaimed + the toxics which epoxy generates: directly into the *air*. (As they don't 'burn' very well, especially those metals: considerable fuel is expended at this stage too)
They are our dump. Didn't notice this factor mentioned re the Brownishness, nor could I estimate its % contribution. Global warming, Shrub?? Nahhh.. it's them cockamamie scientist cranks. We'll have to study it some more - via a grant to the Faith-based Creationism Ecumenical Council, folks who really Know chemical engineering.
Best solution to homo-sap planning: Rapture on out, methinks.
Hey this stuff beats SNL all hollow!
Ashton
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Post #50,306
8/23/02 2:19:50 PM
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They're Europe's dump, too
From the BBC - [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2002/disposable_planet/waste/chinese_workshop/|Photo essay: China's hi-tech toxics] recycling computers from the US and Europe All I can say is time for certain Europeans to get off their high-horse... Darrell Spice, Jr.
[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
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Post #50,979
9/7/02 11:33:35 AM
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Ya talkin' 'bout me, boah?
The Spicy Hot One weighs in: From the BBC - [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2002/disposable_planet/waste/chinese_workshop/|Photo essay: China's hi-tech toxics]recycling computers from the US and Europe All I can say is time for certain Europeans to get off their high-horse... If "certain Europeans" means me -- as is possible to impute from your post being in this particular thread -- let me just remind you that I am not the one to whine about how the problem with the Kyoto Treaty was that all those evil Chinese and Brazilians are allowed to pollute so much more than the poor old USA (or, for that matter, poor old Europe). See the difference? (If it didn't mean me, please disregard this post -- and allow me to return to my regular scheduled paranoia... ;^) Christian R. Conrad
Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #49,154
8/13/02 1:51:31 AM
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Would you like to know why?
Because many Asian countries in that area have little or no pollution laws. Like Thailand, if you ever went to Bangkok where a lot of the factories are, you will have to wear a mask out in public. Most people who ride motorcycles or "Tuktuk" cars with no windows will be wearing a surgical mask or a filter mask. Even the Police wear them. Automobiles have no emission laws in Thailand, so they can run them as dirty as they want to be. I assume that Burma, India, Pakistand, and others all lack the type of pollution laws that the US has.
Even Godzilla couldn't stand up to it, and would choke on it and eventually die.
[link|http://games.speakeasy.net/data/files/khan.jpg|"Khan!!!" -Kirk]
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Post #49,158
8/13/02 2:38:57 AM
8/21/07 5:39:32 AM
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Population Control
Is fundamental. And apparently automatic as well. Population density in Asia will be reduced - one way or another.
Higher population densities require application of higher organizing principles, intelligence, and careful management. Not bloody likely.
I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration.
Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
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Post #49,162
8/13/02 3:19:57 AM
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Nice to know we're doing our part..
But we're cancelling out our pre-planning of their populations simultaneously - given the slashes to birth control by the current Holy Admin (a small part in our already miniscule %GDP of foreign aid, anyway) - so which is it gonna be?
Pop.control via exported toxics / pop. increase via withheld aid for clinics? Ya Can't Have Both!
Maybe it's too subtle for me to get - some o' that Hilbert spaciness perhaps?
Ashton
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Post #49,186
8/13/02 9:53:13 AM
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But >we< are the evil polluters!
See...Kyoto was too strict and would be [link|http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1997/global.warming/disagreements/|economically ruinous] to China...and yet India, China and the Asian subcontinent are all far worse polluters than we in the US.
Yet we had to cut our emissions by 93% while China continues to get worse and most of the worst developing offenders were not even listed in the agreement.
Yet we (US) are the evil, nasty destroyers of the planet.
I get it now.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #49,190
8/13/02 10:19:51 AM
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Uh... Let me get this straight...
Our staunch Virginian -- oops, I mean West Virginian -- BeePs: Yet we had to cut our emissions by 93% while China continues to get worse and most of the worst developing offenders were not even listed in the agreement. Les'see now... You mean, "we" (=the USA, I assume) are cutting emissions by 93% -- in part by SENDING YOUR TOXIC COMPUTERS TO China to be "recycled"? And China "continues to get worse" -- in part by "recycling" YOUR TOXIC COMPUTERS? Yeah, poor poor you -- always the downtrodden ones; always sacrificing yourselves for others... GMAB. Christian R. Conrad
Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #49,262
8/13/02 7:02:46 PM
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Add: Mexico and other dumps, of course
Alas Mexico, the maquiladores ecology-Free zones - whose locked-in serf-labor replaces as much US labor as Corps can manage: is a bit close to home, given the weather and all. So there may be some US lip-service paid to "cleaning up this small oversight". But like the at-home Toxics SuperFund - any $$ spent for this unprofitable work initially --- shall fade away.. at the attention-span's allowed rate.
Sounds like a Capitalist Win to me:
A) Fight wars n'stuff so as to continue using up everyone Else's petroleum / save Ours - at prices and production rates we kinda subtly umm 'influence'.
B) Be generous though: export the worst garbage with the same alacrity.
Seems fair: import/export.
Ashton
What fools these mortals be!
Puck
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Post #49,265
8/13/02 7:21:02 PM
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Makes sense
And China "continues to get worse" -- in part by "recycling" YOUR TOXIC COMPUTERS? Well, they built most of the components, so we're really just sending them back. ;p ===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #49,353
8/14/02 1:13:36 PM
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And again..
..we are the evil destroyers of the planet by pulling out of Kyoto...which addressed nothing about correcting the problems in areas where pollution is FAR worse.
Why can't everyone just face the fact that the Kyoto agreement was just >bad<...did little or nothing to address the true problem and get over it.
Instead..we continue to get [link|http://www.softwolves.pp.se/misc/gwb.en.shtml|this].
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #49,191
8/13/02 10:26:03 AM
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It was much more interesting when I first (mis)read it as...
..."Ashton Brown Cloud Could Kill Millions".
Genuine mis-read, I swear! :-)
(Sorry, Ash.)
Christian R. Conrad
Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #49,194
8/13/02 10:31:06 AM
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ROFLMAO
Imric's Tips for Living- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #49,202
8/13/02 11:01:50 AM
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Couldn't be! As far as I know...
...Ashton doesn eat beans!
(But is was funny! Thanx...)
jb4
"About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. "
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra (1930 - 2002)
(I wish more managers knew that...)
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Post #49,263
8/13/02 7:10:44 PM
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[cackle] ___Actually..
My first glance.. wasn't that far different -- thought the 'Asian' might be er clarified within. Too. Live by the pun; die by the pun.
Ah well.. the price of infamy.
With this much manure around, there must be a pony somewhere.
(Silverlock rip-off)
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Post #49,289
8/13/02 10:13:37 PM
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OT Re: Silverlock rip-off: Nah, I heard it in the 60s.
Alex
"Television: chewing gum for the eyes." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Post #49,315
8/14/02 1:25:11 AM
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Re: Asian Brown Cloud - it was more light tan (grin)
But it sat here in HK for just under 3 days. Couldn't see all that far when it was at its worst, but, all in all it was nothing compared to spending 3 hours in Causeway Bay going shopping (next door to Wan Chai).
The rain of the past week washed it all away. Hmm that rain also washed some parts of the new teritories away as well (rain in HK is sometimes worse that the worst pollution). This is one of the few places I have ever seen where every wall that is part of a hill, even in outlying villages, is registered & has a number - we are expected to phone in the wall's name when we see it collapsing or being washed away (no joke).
My theory is that the Asian Brown Cloud is actually a new secret weapon being tested by Bush. Kinda like a big bug spray. The secret of this weapon (so I hear from my spies) is that the spray gets dispersed over thousands of square miles & after three days of continuous sunshine it is converted to a deadly poisonous gas that kills all - the counter weapon is to rain on it - so we all got saved this time.
Cheers
Doug
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Post #49,319
8/14/02 4:03:41 AM
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Nah- think he's saving that for CA, If there's an election..
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