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Post #47,465
by wharris2
7/30/02 11:22:34 AM
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New Re: If cars go hydrogen...
Isn't hydrogen still (comparatively) expensive to make and store?

Short term, the hybrids (whether using fuel cells or something else) seem to have the edge. Even then the electricity has to come from somewhere. Start back on those nuclear plants, dudes!
The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #47,557
by dmarker2
7/31/02 1:31:13 AM
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New Re: Fuel Cell Vehicles - recent links & activity
One way to get around the hydrogen storage is to use methanol in the fuel cells which extracts the hydrogen from the methanol.

Methanol can be produced from waste - one company showed that old sweets (sugar based lollies) could be turned into methanol. Waste of some types can also be used.

Links

[link|http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/special/promise.html|Executive Summary of The Promise of Methanol Fuel Cell Vehicles]

[link|http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/|DamilerChrysler cross USA trip June 2002]

[link|http://www.methanol.org/fuelcell/fact/dmfc.html|Direct Methanol vs Hydrogen]

Methanol explosive power can be boosted by adding nitrates. Methanol is the standard fuel for model aircraft using glo-plug engines. up to 20% nitrate can be added but the engines run very hot.

Some racing fuel has methanol blended with it.
     Time article about Saudi Arabia - (SpiceWare) - (26) - July 29, 2002, 11:20:02 AM EDT
         Even prior to 9/11, have occasionally wondered if - (Ashton) - July 29, 2002, 05:25:27 PM EDT
         Re: 'If we sort out Iraq ' - (dmarker2) - (5) - July 29, 2002, 08:54:45 PM EDT
             Now Doug..__ we don't want it for ourselves! - (Ashton) - (3) - July 29, 2002, 09:16:32 PM EDT
                 Re: Yup, I forgot - silly me - its the New World Order .. - (dmarker2) - (2) - July 29, 2002, 11:26:25 PM EDT
                     Interesting Idea. - (altmann) - (1) - July 29, 2002, 11:51:38 PM EDT
                         "The Warfare State" - - (Ashton) - July 30, 2002, 01:10:49 AM EDT
             just because some arabs breed on top of it - (boxley) - July 30, 2002, 10:45:45 AM EDT
         Yeah, and Pigs will fly on alternate Tuesdays... - (jb4) - (18) - July 30, 2002, 10:32:38 AM EDT
             Re: Hmmm - 1/2 pig already flying then :-) - (dmarker2) - (17) - July 30, 2002, 10:49:12 AM EDT
                 If cars go hydrogen... - (admin) - (2) - July 30, 2002, 11:09:14 AM EDT
                     Re: If cars go hydrogen... - (wharris2) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 11:22:34 AM EDT
                         Re: Fuel Cell Vehicles - recent links & activity - (dmarker2) - July 31, 2002, 01:31:13 AM EDT
                 Fortunately, oil can be manufactured - (Andrew Grygus) - July 30, 2002, 11:46:39 AM EDT
                 We've also got proven 100mpg carbs, too. - (jb4) - (12) - July 30, 2002, 01:34:52 PM EDT
                     Right. - (wharris2) - July 30, 2002, 02:15:53 PM EDT
                     ~14.5:1 air / fuel ratio for gasoline. Period. - (Ashton) - (10) - July 30, 2002, 03:03:33 PM EDT
                         Well...we've had several cars - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - July 30, 2002, 04:06:49 PM EDT
                             Steam works also - (boxley) - (6) - July 30, 2002, 04:39:01 PM EDT
                                 Well, if you want to go external combustion... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - July 30, 2002, 06:38:33 PM EDT
                                     Re: Stirling Engines - Still on the boil (links) - (dmarker2) - (3) - July 31, 2002, 02:17:06 AM EDT
                                         Damn, I was LOOKING for that link! - (Simon_Jester) - July 31, 2002, 02:08:10 PM EDT
                                         Since this topic came up in another thread... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 31, 2002, 10:30:19 PM EDT
                                             Boffo sig________fer a Perlmonk_________Aauuuummmmm -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 1, 2002, 02:46:46 AM EDT
                                 Steam is unusable . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 30, 2002, 06:56:22 PM EDT
                         ~14.5:1 air / fuel ratio for gasoline, semicolon... - (jb4) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 04:30:54 PM EDT
                             Are you serious? :-) - (Another Scott) - July 30, 2002, 11:45:07 PM EDT

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