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Post #4,519

by Fearless Freep

8/10/01 11:47:37 AM

*Shrug* your parallel, not mine

Catching my image BY ACCIDENT is NOT the same thing as intentionally photographing me.

You compared photography to shooting a gun. Shooting a person "BY ACCIDENT" is not the shame as intentionally shooting a person, but it's still illegal

Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"

Post #4,546

8/10/01 4:13:46 PM

You didn't read the other thread, did you?

We covered this there.

What the fuck, I'll cover it again.

The KEY concept in the OTHER thread was INTENTIONALLY capturing images. Initially, in regards to speeding tickets.

Eventually, it was expanded to whether or not I have any right to privacy once I step outside of my house. Can anyone start photographing me without my permission?

My example was that, if I exhibited such behaviour towards a woman, I could be arrested for stalking.

But it is okay for non-persons (corporations and such) to do so. Even to retain your image and to run it through recognition software.

I don't agree with that. I believe I have a right to privacy even after I leave my house. Consider it an extension of unreasonable search and seizure. The cops can't search me on the street, why should they be allowed to photograph me?

Now, because lots of people have cameras and like taking pictures of buildings and their friends and such, it is not unreasonable that I may happen to step into someone's picture. But they usually have the camera visible, and it is apparent that they are photographing something, it is usually also apparent what they are photographing. In which case, it is my fault for ending up in their picture.

Again, back to guns.

I can go to the firing range and shoot targets. If some idiot runs around down range and I hit him, the cops are not going to punish me. I won't even do jail time. Is it "illegal"? Well, that depends upon what "illegal" really means. No fine, no time, no crime.

Which was why I used the gun example in the first place.

Most people understand "murder" vs "self defence" vs "accident". Yet all involve someone firing a gun and hitting another person.

Which are "illegal"?

To beat Bill to it - Tampa Survellience cameras as seen on - (addison) - (153) - Aug. 8, 2001, 04:43:00 PM EDT

Anecdotes won't cut it. - (Ashton) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:38:51 PM EDT

That isn't the technology, that's the privacy. - (Brandioch) - (151) - Aug. 8, 2001, 05:53:06 PM EDT

Well...have to agree with you there... - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2001, 07:09:33 PM EDT

Yup. - (addison) - (149) - Aug. 9, 2001, 10:46:15 AM EDT

Actually, isn't the technology a dismal flop? - (wharris2) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:14:38 PM EDT

And the starting point is.... - (Brandioch) - (147) - Aug. 9, 2001, 12:39:34 PM EDT

Ok. - (addison) - (146) - Aug. 9, 2001, 02:59:06 PM EDT

Think guns. - (Brandioch) - (145) - Aug. 9, 2001, 04:41:10 PM EDT

So umm.... - (Fearless Freep) - (144) - Aug. 9, 2001, 04:53:18 PM EDT

it is if you sell it or use for monetary gain - (boxley) - Aug. 9, 2001, 06:09:20 PM EDT

There is not law, yet. - (Brandioch) - (142) - Aug. 9, 2001, 08:21:27 PM EDT

*Shrug* your parallel, not mine - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 10, 2001, 11:47:37 AM EDT

You didn't read the other thread, did you? - (Brandioch) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:13:46 PM EDT

Re: There is not law, yet. - (addison) - (139) - Aug. 10, 2001, 01:45:09 PM EDT

Again, guns. - (Brandioch) - (138) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:23:47 PM EDT

Strawman. - (addison) - (137) - Aug. 10, 2001, 04:36:15 PM EDT

Nope. Note the qualifier. - (Brandioch) - (136) - Aug. 10, 2001, 07:04:40 PM EDT

Yes. - (addison) - (135) - Aug. 11, 2001, 09:49:44 PM EDT

You don't know what "strawman" means. - (Brandioch) - (134) - Aug. 12, 2001, 12:05:07 PM EDT

I understand the implications and ramifications - (addison) - (133) - Aug. 12, 2001, 12:53:52 PM EDT

Once again, legal vs "right". - (Brandioch) - (132) - Aug. 12, 2001, 02:41:00 PM EDT

You have a choice. - (pwhysall) - (131) - Aug. 12, 2001, 04:51:56 PM EDT

Also "Hero". - (Brandioch) - (129) - Aug. 12, 2001, 07:22:31 PM EDT

Apples and Oranges - (pwhysall) - (128) - Aug. 12, 2001, 08:03:33 PM EDT

'Struth. - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 12, 2001, 09:21:47 PM EDT

1984 ___ Brave New World - (Ashton) - Aug. 12, 2001, 09:45:09 PM EDT

That was covered in the other thread, also. - (Brandioch) - (125) - Aug. 13, 2001, 01:10:13 AM EDT

Perhaps. - (pwhysall) - (124) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:56:57 AM EDT

Yep. - (Brandioch) - (118) - Aug. 13, 2001, 01:53:33 PM EDT

Well said! - (imric) - (82) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:21:33 PM EDT

Is it? - (addison) - (81) - Aug. 13, 2001, 02:28:37 PM EDT

So? - (imric) - (80) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:26:17 PM EDT

Nope. - (addison) - (79) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:58:36 PM EDT

Nope, you're wrong. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:21:35 PM EDT

Fair enough. - (imric) - (77) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:47:16 PM EDT

From their point of view - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:58:41 PM EDT

Its all in the Point Of View. - (addison) - (75) - Aug. 13, 2001, 09:01:08 PM EDT

And you repeatedly use the idea of 'public' - (Ashton) - Aug. 13, 2001, 09:10:34 PM EDT

Nope. - (Brandioch) - (73) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:31:34 PM EDT

look at the gov of Minnesota - (boxley) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:35:34 PM EDT

Does that protect against photos or just publication? -NT - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:41:29 PM EDT

publication -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:58:48 PM EDT

So he's trademarked the use of his image... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:10:15 PM EDT

yup thats my point, take my picture - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2001, 09:04:42 PM EDT

Nope - (Fearless Freep) - (9) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:39:54 PM EDT

"Happens all the time." - (Brandioch) - (8) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:47:14 PM EDT

Oh c'mon!!!! - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:55:06 PM EDT

I gotta get back in time! - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:26:12 PM EDT

Ya gotta read the posts - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:36:24 PM EDT

More philosophy for you to consider. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:12:25 PM EDT

Give that man a cookie - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:44:37 PM EDT

And why do you think I would NOT do that? - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:19:09 PM EDT

In other words, your stance is unsupported by facts. - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:57:06 PM EDT

I should have been more clear. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:32:35 PM EDT

Come now - (pwhysall) - (15) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:18:03 PM EDT

Where do you see that? - (Brandioch) - (14) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:49:58 PM EDT

Re: Where do you see that? - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:53:39 PM EDT

complete the thought - (Fearless Freep) - (12) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:02:22 PM EDT

You're almost there. - (Brandioch) - (11) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:13:45 PM EDT

Funny. - (addison) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:18:30 PM EDT

ROTFLMAO - (Brandioch) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:35:30 PM EDT

I think you hit your head. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:44:38 PM EDT

Bingo!!! - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:29:06 PM EDT

Thank you. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:38:03 PM EDT

Try again - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:51:17 PM EDT

You didn't read my posts. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:04:50 PM EDT

And again reread - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:24:25 PM EDT

Try it with comprehension this time. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:39:46 PM EDT

sheesh - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:03:07 PM EDT

Context. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:24:30 PM EDT

Sorry. But now you're fighting physics. - (addison) - (41) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:29:02 PM EDT

Oh, come ON. He didn't say PEOPLE couldn't look. - (imric) - (40) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:40:28 PM EDT

No, you come on and read what he did say. - (addison) - (39) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:49:53 PM EDT

Cameras != eyeballs. - (Brandioch) - (38) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:04:54 PM EDT

Actually - (Fearless Freep) - (11) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:09:46 PM EDT

Already addressed in your previous post. - (Brandioch) - (10) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:39:27 PM EDT

yawn - (Fearless Freep) - (9) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:58:38 PM EDT

Re: yawn - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:01:58 PM EDT

It's called "reading with comprehension". - (Brandioch) - (7) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:31:43 PM EDT

Whoa! Here's a radical thought! - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:35:41 PM EDT

Been waiting for that one - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:56:03 PM EDT

I was much older then, I'm younger than that now. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:54:34 PM EDT

because - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:09:28 PM EDT

You cannot shoot me. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:39:38 PM EDT

Too bad the posting lacks said same. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:41:09 PM EDT

No kidding - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:44:01 PM EDT

Not currently. - (addison) - (25) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:16:21 PM EDT

There is a distinction. BTW, have they even worked? - (wharris2) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:41:40 PM EDT

Not in this context, and I don't know. - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:57:36 PM EDT

That only has one solution - (wharris2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:57:37 PM EDT

Thanks for your participation. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:41:41 PM EDT

I've gravely mistaken... - (addison) - (20) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:49:47 PM EDT

Because you don't agree with me does not make me wrong. - (Brandioch) - (19) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:18:22 PM EDT

Nope, it doesn't. - (addison) - (18) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:34:56 PM EDT

And man will never fly. - (Brandioch) - (17) - Aug. 14, 2001, 06:10:12 PM EDT

So after 2 weeks... - (addison) - (16) - Aug. 14, 2001, 11:52:51 PM EDT

And the loop starts again. - (Brandioch) - (15) - Aug. 15, 2001, 01:48:29 PM EDT

I can but hope that you really don't think this way. - (addison) - (13) - Aug. 15, 2001, 02:30:57 PM EDT

Sorry. You ARE authoritarian. - (imric) - (12) - Aug. 15, 2001, 06:20:47 PM EDT

However, I do have the ability to read and understand. - (addison) - (11) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:09:34 PM EDT

I'm not sure that's true. - (Ashton) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:24:33 PM EDT

Bullshit. Learn to use a dictionary. - (imric) - (9) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:44:24 PM EDT

Learn to read - (addison) - (8) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:51:17 PM EDT

Good? At what? - (imric) - (7) - Aug. 15, 2001, 09:48:37 PM EDT

howsabout we all chip in and Buy Addy a poloroid camera - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2001, 10:28:03 PM EDT

Re: Good? At what? - (addison) - (5) - Aug. 15, 2001, 10:35:46 PM EDT

Heh.. You__still__don't__ Get!__it__...____a-tall. -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 15, 2001, 11:46:04 PM EDT

Again, strawman. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Aug. 16, 2001, 12:40:32 PM EDT

Agree except for one point - (DonRichards) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2001, 02:38:51 PM EDT

Amen (to coin a phrase) - (Ashton) - Aug. 16, 2001, 04:12:58 PM EDT

Its not a strawman if its exactly what you're saying. - (addison) - Aug. 21, 2001, 02:29:19 PM EDT

utter agreement - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2001, 03:22:05 PM EDT

What about *their* rights? - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 13, 2001, 03:26:06 PM EDT

Err on the side of more freedoms. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:40:53 PM EDT

Errrrrrr..... - (addison) - (32) - Aug. 13, 2001, 04:03:30 PM EDT

Yep! - (Brandioch) - (31) - Aug. 13, 2001, 07:49:46 PM EDT

But that flies in the face of what you said earlier. - (addison) - (30) - Aug. 13, 2001, 08:42:00 PM EDT

'Privacy' appears to distress you. Try - (Ashton) - Aug. 13, 2001, 09:04:07 PM EDT

I own my image. - (Brandioch) - (28) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:23:30 PM EDT

Problem is... - (Fearless Freep) - (24) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:41:49 PM EDT

Bulls**t - (DonRichards) - (20) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:50:29 PM EDT

Try it - (Fearless Freep) - (19) - Aug. 14, 2001, 12:58:01 PM EDT

Still don't agree - (DonRichards) - (14) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:07:52 PM EDT

Disconnect - (Fearless Freep) - (13) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:17:33 PM EDT

and Clarification - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:21:19 PM EDT

Cough. That's Declaration of Independence... - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:53:59 PM EDT

Not really. - (addison) - (5) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:41:45 PM EDT

Umm..actually.... - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:45:52 PM EDT

Errr. He was? -NT - (addison) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:51:14 PM EDT

Yeah... - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:59:07 PM EDT

Oh. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:00:24 PM EDT

NCRs unite! - (DonRichards) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:15:34 PM EDT

There's a flag on that play. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:23:40 PM EDT

Pick the flag up - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:33:23 PM EDT

Others have stated it more elegantly - (DonRichards) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:33:33 PM EDT

Not sure who you are talking to... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:54:08 PM EDT

The journey is the destination. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:59:53 PM EDT

oops... - (Fearless Freep) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:09:05 PM EDT

That's one way to look at it. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:54:14 PM EDT

One and the same - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:05:05 PM EDT

Insert standard example here. - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 04:40:46 PM EDT

"legal" == "right" - (Brandioch) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:47:15 PM EDT

Without all the detail - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 03:53:06 PM EDT

You can't handle that from the context? - (Brandioch) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:23:59 PM EDT

Actually, I think you own your painted image too... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 01:58:46 PM EDT

I'm wrong. - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:38:59 PM EDT

Not currently, you don't. - (addison) - Aug. 14, 2001, 02:35:10 PM EDT

Wrong verb - (jb4) - (4) - Aug. 14, 2001, 09:44:39 AM EDT

Ahem - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2001, 11:33:32 AM EDT

but the repos and dems ARE left wing, at least to some of us -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2001, 11:38:55 AM EDT

Well Ox, if you Really think that, - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2001, 05:25:58 PM EDT

naw both a buncha commies :) - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2001, 09:17:03 PM EDT

welcome to ox island diplomatic passports fer sale - (boxley) - Aug. 12, 2001, 08:49:45 PM EDT

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