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New Maybe, maybe not
Although it hasn't gone to the Justice Department, and although the SEC has (I hope) at least given it a once-over (though that's not entirely clear), Microsoft and other high-tech companies' stock option schemes can be argued as allowing them to misstate financial information (eg, liability for said options) pretty badly.

I seem to remember the SEC telling Microsoft to quit cooking their books to even out revenues between financial quarters. Microsoft in effect said "We'd never do that, but if we did we won't do it again."

That's only two examples of bookkeeping irregularities, but the book-cooking (or as I believe User Friendly put it, Martha Steward's Guide to Book Sauteeing) is a sign that they certainly aren't very interested in being open and honest about their revenues, assets, and liabilities. And where there are a couple of irregularities, there could certainly be more if you start digging deep enough. And once you start digging, you never really know what you'll find.

Informix, once *the* leader in relational databases but long ago surpassed by Oracle, stayed alive for quite some time but was eventually put to rest by the discovery of a series of increasingly bad financial irregularities (misstating inventory, booking sales when things hadn't actually been sold, stuff like that - I forget exactly all of what they did, but it was news at the time) which certainly *appear* to have been designed to make their finances look better. Not nearly as bad as the phoney holding/trading companies Enron set up, but bad enough... hmmmm, beginning to sound a little like manipulation similar to Microsoft.
New Book Roasting
That was "The Arthur Andersen Accounting Cookbood with introduction by Martha Stewart".

Yes, Microsoft has been caught by the SEC in a little cooking - but just a "cooky jar reserve", which is a minor offense.

Of course, Microsoft is the definitive abuser of the stock option ploy, so their books are not just cooked, they're "Blackened Books with Cajun sauce". Alas, this is currently neither illegal nor against GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Practices (What Companies Have Successfully Gotten Away With)).

Every couple of years, the keepers of accounting standards try to fix the stock options problem, and every time the entire high tech industry goes to Congress and whines, "These mean accountants are going to hurt us!". Suitable pressure is applied and nothing gets done.

You can be quite sure that any company to which the term "High Tech" can be applied has books that are entirely misleading and have at best a tenuous relationship to fiscal reality. Cisco, by the way, is another prominente offender.


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New Re: Interesting - that point discussed on Aust TV last night


Head of Chartered Accountants in Australia said Bush had maybe 2 good opportunities to get things right & the one big thing he could have fixed was the issue of expensing stock options.

His opinion is that Bush failed to do anything that matters.

This particular issue reinforces my point that even with a known & internationally recognised flaw such as the stock options expensing, Govt & business in US won't take the obvious action to fix the problem so companies such as MS are doing what is not good but doing it legally.

The system is flawed.

Cheers

Doug
New Of course the system is flawed.
Why do I think so? Because the people making the most money have the means to keep the system fixed in their favour, i.e. money! Hard to fix it, really...

Wade.

"Ah. One of the difficult questions."

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