I get that, was pointing out one of many places where it hasn't worked

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/27/one-in-five-americans-want-the-second-amendment-to-be-repealed-national-survey-finds/

Maybe you got 100% increase in the last 4 years. That's an incredibly high number. But it's easy for the math to work. Say maybe you have two in five.

Without that repeal then the states that want to be a free-for-all gun-wise will be.

Sure, we might get incremental things like universal background checks. But only when a professional sells a gun. Unless there is a federal gun registration law, there will never be an incentive for an individual buyer/seller pair to do a background check. And a registration law will never happen because that's the starting of creating the list to take away the guns.

Whether or not that taking away the guns is the goal of the people making these laws doesn't matter. The people with the guns are terrified of the authorities coming and taking them. The starting point is registering them to make that possible.

It is illegal at the federal level to create a federal registration list. Illegal. It is actually against the law to make a law to force a felon to register his illegal gun because that would be self-incrimination and you can't force a citizen to incriminate themselves. A drug dealer could pull the same logic with tax stamps, but since the drugs themselves are illegal to start off with, I guess no one ever thought it was worth taking that to the supreme Court.

I don't see Congress ever changing that.

Post #441,572 by boxley 5/25/22 9:47:40 PM 5/25/22 9:47:54 PM Reply	I get that, was pointing out one of many places where it hasn't worked we share somewhat of a language with the UK but the cultural differences are large. We are a different place. We cant even get people to wear masks in a pandemic how in the hell are you going to take their guns away? "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman Edited by boxley May 25, 2022, 09:47:54 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #441,574 by Another Scott 5/25/22 9:59:22 PM 5/25/22 9:59:22 PM Reply	How did we get people to wear seat belts or stop smoking in offices? We changed the rules and the laws. It takes time. But that's what's necessary. Cheers, Scott.
Post #441,575 by boxley 5/25/22 10:25:06 PM 5/25/22 10:25:06 PM Reply	might work but turning off the internet would work faster limit the echo chambers for the lost "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #441,576 by pwhysall 5/26/22 1:16:59 AM 5/26/22 1:16:59 AM Reply	Well, there's obviously nothing to be done. 2A rules! and if some schoolchildren must periodically die, then so be it. It's terrible, but thoughts and prayers. If we can't do everything, then there's clearly no point doing anything.
Post #441,581 by crazy 5/26/22 10:03:52 AM 5/26/22 10:06:46 AM Reply	In 2018, one out of five agreed with you https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/27/one-in-five-americans-want-the-second-amendment-to-be-repealed-national-survey-finds/ Maybe you got 100% increase in the last 4 years. That's an incredibly high number. But it's easy for the math to work. Say maybe you have two in five. Without that repeal then the states that want to be a free-for-all gun-wise will be. Sure, we might get incremental things like universal background checks. But only when a professional sells a gun. Unless there is a federal gun registration law, there will never be an incentive for an individual buyer/seller pair to do a background check. And a registration law will never happen because that's the starting of creating the list to take away the guns. Whether or not that taking away the guns is the goal of the people making these laws doesn't matter. The people with the guns are terrified of the authorities coming and taking them. The starting point is registering them to make that possible. It is illegal at the federal level to create a federal registration list. Illegal. It is actually against the law to make a law to force a felon to register his illegal gun because that would be self-incrimination and you can't force a citizen to incriminate themselves. A drug dealer could pull the same logic with tax stamps, but since the drugs themselves are illegal to start off with, I guess no one ever thought it was worth taking that to the supreme Court. I don't see Congress ever changing that. Edited by crazy May 26, 2022, 10:06:46 AM EDT Expand All History

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