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Post #419,246
by Another Scott
7/27/17 9:00:49 AM
7/27/17 9:00:49 AM
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New (sigh)
Post #419,247
by mmoffitt
7/27/17 9:05:16 AM
7/27/17 9:05:16 AM
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New What are you trying to tell me? That disease states are "normal" states? <sigh right back>
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
Post #419,249
by Another Scott
7/27/17 9:13:15 AM
7/27/17 9:13:15 AM
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New Thought it was pretty clear. Real-world biology isn't binary.
Someone who has extra (or missing) chromosomes isn't less human and doesn't deserve to be treated as such. Or someone whose brain is put together a little differently even if they don't have an easily visible genetic difference.

Was Einstein "abnormal"? Was Turning? Was Meitner?

Insisting on putting people in bins is stupid.

Your personal feelings about "the purpose of marriage" and the "definition of a family" should have little or no impact on whether two others want to get married or not. Or whether they get the benefits of marriage and family that other couples get, or not.

But, as you say, we've been through all of this before.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #419,251
by mmoffitt
7/27/17 10:58:23 AM
7/27/17 10:58:23 AM
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New We're at a dead end, but I have to say a couple of things.
1) "Family" doesn't (and never did) have anything to do with marriage imo.
2) As things are now, the best thing to do is to eliminate the requirement of a license of any kind for marriage. Eliminating marriage licenses would bring reason to the widely popular misconception that a marriage is between two people.

I think (2) is as close as we're ever going to get to consensus, but we still would have disagreements. The elimination of (2) would, of necessity, eliminate any State benefits to the condition of being married. I'd be okay with that. I suspect you wouldn't.

But I've lost what little faith I had in our people so I don't really care much either way at this point.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
     On CNN (main page) just Now: - (Ashton) - (23) - July 25, 2017, 03:47:54 PM EDT
         Die flyovers, die. You *DESERVE* it! - (mmoffitt) - (22) - July 25, 2017, 03:49:44 PM EDT
             There is only one thing that is certain . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (21) - July 25, 2017, 08:58:20 PM EDT
                 I can't speak for anywhere other than Indiana. - (mmoffitt) - (20) - July 26, 2017, 08:15:28 AM EDT
                     “xenophobic, racist and ignorant” - (rcareaga) - (16) - July 26, 2017, 10:04:26 AM EDT
                         and myself? Has the dementia really taken hold? You're about the right age, I guess. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (15) - July 26, 2017, 11:25:24 AM EDT
                             You’ve softened your former stance on transgender, then? - (rcareaga) - (14) - July 26, 2017, 12:19:36 PM EDT
                                 Softened my stance? To what are you referring? - (mmoffitt) - (13) - July 26, 2017, 02:20:30 PM EDT
                                     So, the important thing about marriage is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - July 26, 2017, 06:14:27 PM EDT
                                         Well, at least in this country. - (mmoffitt) - July 27, 2017, 08:12:32 AM EDT
                                     You're conflating sex and gender. They're not the same thing. -NT - (pwhysall) - (10) - July 27, 2017, 02:42:38 AM EDT
                                         Trying to teach English to the English is sooooooo hard. - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 27, 2017, 08:16:39 AM EDT
                                             (sigh) - (Another Scott) - (3) - July 27, 2017, 09:00:49 AM EDT
                                                 What are you trying to tell me? That disease states are "normal" states? <sigh right back> -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 27, 2017, 09:05:16 AM EDT
                                                     Thought it was pretty clear. Real-world biology isn't binary. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 27, 2017, 09:13:15 AM EDT
                                                         We're at a dead end, but I have to say a couple of things. - (mmoffitt) - July 27, 2017, 10:58:23 AM EDT
                                             Oh, the dictionary. That's where I, too, go to understand complex issues of sexuality and gender. - (pwhysall) - (4) - July 28, 2017, 02:56:40 AM EDT
                                                 Oh, Wikipedia. What better source of information could there be? And I'm the idiot. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 28, 2017, 08:08:28 AM EDT
                                                     Keep digging. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 28, 2017, 08:21:49 AM EDT
                                                     Many times you post I think of this comic - (crazy) - July 28, 2017, 11:51:06 AM EDT
                                                     what, you never dated a hermaphrodite? are you sure? -NT - (boxley) - July 28, 2017, 10:47:20 PM EDT
                     "Belief" is not just Christianity. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - July 26, 2017, 11:04:06 AM EDT
                         Kudos.. rather Clearly limned - (Ashton) - July 26, 2017, 04:08:45 PM EDT
                         No, it isn't. But it does make one comfortable (far too much so) with "believing in falsehoods." -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 27, 2017, 08:13:57 AM EDT

Using this formulation, the cat can be dead and deader.
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