Re: Ashton, have created a new thread in open ...

Post #41,689 by dmarker2 6/8/02 11:21:29 PM Reply	Re: Ashton, have created a new thread in open ... Have pre loaded it with enough fuel for a big blast :-) It should be a good opportunity to question the ethics and directions of the changes that XML & Web Services are expected to bring. Cheers - Doug
Post #41,770 by Ashton 6/9/02 8:06:15 PM Reply	Beyond call of duty :-) Mine should have been tagged OT No quibbles with your presentation of what seems a trend which has reached critical (thinking) mass. Apologies for interrupting a promising thread in its correct forum. I just tend to think in the direction that - such new models as putatively devaluate the (need for) individual knowledge of workers: is that Stimulus which ever shall evoke Response - For the truly-PHB, that Response is as inevitable as ... the next ad. People = Costs :: Cut Both. Trend is looking awful for that vast majority (in any field) who are merely 'average' - since already we read here signs of the commoditization. Always Room at the Top of course, and we each believe we are Top, yet -- (So it still sounds as if these developments will be ~= worsening the overall IT/Business (and especially Bizness!) "relationship". :( Regards, Ashton
Post #41,897 by mmoffitt 6/11/02 12:08:55 AM Reply	Indeed. such new models as putatively devaluate the (need for) individual knowledge of workers:... When my daughters ask me what I miss most about "the good old days" when I was young, I always say, "In those days, we had artisans. Unfortunately, I have lived long enough to see their demise."
Post #41,912 by Ashton 6/11/02 4:09:02 AM Reply	Tip of iceberg? First - they are still around - these days it seems: making superb one-offs (of lots of things) for the Yuppie class. (I guess that overlaps upper-Middle and Elite?). As with $200 dinners by $1M chefs. But overall, of course there are fewer and fewer. I notice this particularly re home work (not homework!). Many can sort-of install electrical fixtures for ex., but have none of the basic comprehension of Ohm's law, a bit of AC and DC principles. Some little thing is amiss: they can't even R&R sometimes. Surely couldn't create a "switch diagram" to make some small alteration. [These not needed, allowed in my house BTW] 'Specialization' - most obvious in the MD Trade, but becoming apparent more and more as businesses morph into 'bizness' - means that fewer have anything like a liberal education and act accordingly dull -while pretending 'chipper'? Allopathic MDs, with rare exception - have no idea about the many other approaches to 'health' worldwide, and often do not grok what it means to boast, "We Treat Symptoms!" Maybe a similar 'allopathy' occurs with 'consultant specialists' in bizness: they are being called in because: none of the present local Elite plans to stay very long, just want a parachute - and know pretty little about the intricacies of that overall business! (How Else explain: M$ hegemony ??) Anyway.. I don't see how 'we' can overcome the lead-time problem for training competent people - without some rilly Bad times coming. Those BTW will be the times when your 'maturity' shall take on a new cachet: "hey This guy grew up when they were still really Teaching stuff! Heh - he can even spel. And multiply without a calculator!!" Ashton

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