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Post #41,519

6/7/02 9:36:16 AM

Stone cold sober; at work. Summer.

Was going to write more, but... it *is* supposed to be *work*, after all. Hoped you'd be able to read all I wanted to say into it -- hoped in vain, it appears? OK, I'll try to get back to ya during the weekend.

No wonder; I see I missed whole words, in my hurry -- please read an "effect" into that Joe Sixpack sentence somewhere! :-)

Christian R. Conrad
Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]

Post #41,522

6/7/02 10:00:14 AM

Re: Please accept my public apology for

implying otherwise. I accept your word without quibble. I did realise it was summer - was being cheeky about what you guys get up to in winter.

I am concerned that an 'innocent' thread on an obvious technology issue & evolution (XML & Web Services) was being hijacked to thrash out personal grievances against corporations (which I would argue don't belong in this thread).

What I thought this was about was what XML and Web Services - what they actually and really mean & how these are likely to affect us in the careers we are in. Dragging outside issues into the thread and implying I am a corporate appologist is a distraction from a real world issue many of us are grappling with in regard to understanding the real impact of XML and Web Services, in a real world (the one that pays salaries & keeps us from starvation).

Next wed I am to address a variety of execs in our 'Corp' on just what XML & Web Services are & what impact they are likely to have on our business. I was asked to do this because for the past 18 months I have been warning various parts of the company that a 'significant' change was going to occur in what IT means to our business & the way we are likley to build & design software in the future. I don't see anything insidious in this. I am just gald they have listened & want to hear a professional perspective. What they choose to do with the info & about the concept is up their imaginations & courage.

Anyway,

I don't want to buy into issues to do with corporations. I am happy to let nature & evolution deal with them as will happen.

Cheers

Doug

M$ stock continues to please those who - (Ashton) - (53) - May 30, 2002, 11:19:29 PM EDT

Re: MS is one stock that will bounce back - (dmarker2) - (49) - May 31, 2002, 03:43:16 AM EDT

I dunno. - (mmoffitt) - (48) - May 31, 2002, 12:16:10 PM EDT

Re: I'd love to see Linux sweep MS away, but - (dmarker2) - (47) - May 31, 2002, 08:50:13 PM EDT

Am getting more into embedded personally, but... - (mmoffitt) - May 31, 2002, 09:03:01 PM EDT

Licensing note. - (static) - (44) - June 1, 2002, 01:12:53 AM EDT

Maybe I'm just too damned old. - (mmoffitt) - (43) - June 1, 2002, 04:55:36 PM EDT

Are you blind??? - (Andrew Grygus) - (3) - June 1, 2002, 09:34:42 PM EDT

No, I am not a cynic -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - June 1, 2002, 07:29:48 PM EDT

Cackle..____glorp. - (Ashton) - June 1, 2002, 08:01:11 PM EDT

I'm so ashamed. - (mmoffitt) - June 2, 2002, 12:13:24 AM EDT

I didn't say everything should be a web service. - (static) - (38) - June 2, 2002, 02:53:21 AM EDT

Didn't mean to imply you did. - (mmoffitt) - (37) - June 2, 2002, 05:22:52 PM EDT

Your not as old as you think... - (jb4) - (36) - June 3, 2002, 08:45:37 AM EDT

Re: Trying to understand XML & Web Services - try containers - (dmarker2) - (35) - June 4, 2002, 02:58:01 AM EDT

That ... makes sense! - (drewk) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 09:34:05 AM EDT

TWikified - (kmself) - June 6, 2002, 11:42:27 PM EDT

Very well written, but... - (mmoffitt) - (32) - June 5, 2002, 12:16:06 AM EDT

Re: Good point - (dmarker2) - (31) - June 6, 2002, 01:20:56 AM EDT

Let's follow the analogy a bit further - (Ashton) - (28) - June 6, 2002, 04:08:13 AM EDT

Related to something I was just saying about OSS & FSF - (drewk) - (18) - June 6, 2002, 10:29:19 AM EDT

Those seem to be the stages, but it's the Aim - (Ashton) - (17) - June 6, 2002, 07:17:13 PM EDT

Re: But,but, but - (dmarker2) - (16) - June 7, 2002, 03:25:20 AM EDT

Shall we sing "John Henry"? :-) - (a6l6e6x) - June 7, 2002, 03:45:38 AM EDT

Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. - (Ashton) - (8) - June 7, 2002, 05:38:21 AM EDT

Re: Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. YA GOT ME - (dmarker2) - (4) - June 7, 2002, 07:55:34 AM EDT

Well, then you don't know what you're talking about. - (CRConrad) - (3) - June 7, 2002, 08:29:03 AM EDT

Re: Jeeze CRC - that was mild ... - (dmarker2) - (2) - June 7, 2002, 08:34:04 AM EDT

Stone cold sober; at work. Summer. - (CRConrad) - (1) - June 7, 2002, 09:36:16 AM EDT

Re: Please accept my public apology for - (dmarker2) - June 7, 2002, 10:00:14 AM EDT

Re: Carnot Cycle ... here is an example of a good one - (dmarker2) - (2) - June 7, 2002, 10:39:18 AM EDT

We had one on the roof! - (Ashton) - June 7, 2002, 06:35:04 PM EDT

Re: Carnot Cycle ... here is an example of a good one - (shimon340) - Aug. 26, 2004, 07:07:14 AM EDT

Hey Doug, Toolmakers, Machinists, lathes are STILL here - (tonytib) - (5) - June 8, 2002, 08:58:42 PM EDT

Re: A funny story re Lathes & precision finishing - (dmarker2) - (4) - June 8, 2002, 09:57:54 PM EDT

I had a sort of opposite problem - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 8, 2002, 10:46:11 PM EDT

Re: I had a sort of opposite problem - (dmarker2) - (1) - June 9, 2002, 12:03:11 AM EDT

Only the last sentence is relative - (Andrew Grygus) - June 9, 2002, 12:58:20 AM EDT

Taig is still around, but in Arizona - (tonytib) - June 9, 2002, 03:33:29 AM EDT

Re: Where you are leading may - (dmarker2) - (8) - June 7, 2002, 12:21:14 AM EDT

ie 'change is inevitable" - (Ashton) - (7) - June 7, 2002, 06:28:55 AM EDT

Re: ie 'change is inevitable" - (dmarker2) - June 7, 2002, 08:41:42 AM EDT

Therein is the big issue IMO - (drewk) - (5) - June 7, 2002, 09:38:28 AM EDT

Yes - it seems to be that last.. - (Ashton) - (4) - June 7, 2002, 06:47:20 PM EDT

Re: Ashton, have created a new thread in open ... - (dmarker2) - (3) - June 8, 2002, 11:21:29 PM EDT

Beyond call of duty :-) Mine should have been tagged OT - (Ashton) - (2) - June 9, 2002, 08:06:15 PM EDT

Indeed. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 11, 2002, 12:08:55 AM EDT

Tip of iceberg? - (Ashton) - June 11, 2002, 04:09:02 AM EDT

Amazing thing I heard about containers - (drewk) - (1) - June 6, 2002, 09:55:24 AM EDT

Sending empties? Buy less shit from there, or sell more! -NT - (CRConrad) - June 6, 2002, 10:01:08 AM EDT

Licensing model - (jake123) - June 5, 2002, 10:21:03 AM EDT

Back below 50 in heavy trading - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 3, 2002, 11:13:44 PM EDT

Re: Not just MS - also IBM, Siebel, Redhat - all slumped - (dmarker2) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 02:55:19 AM EDT

Dunno about them 'Industrial Average' thingies - (Ashton) - June 4, 2002, 03:26:54 AM EDT

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