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New Re: ie 'change is inevitable"
"driven largest of all by dreams of
personal profit by a very small % of the tenants."

When did personkind's greed (or any other downside characteristic) change for the worse ? - I would argue that these characteristics have remained essentially static for the past 40,000 years (at least) but that because the human population has grown so dramatically, & personkind has discovered some secrets of the universe + how to manipulate bits of it, plus add to this our self awareness and our intellectual knowledge, and this may well amplify perceptions of everything we do in today's world (when in fact the only real change has been the world's population & perceptions).

Semms to me that we today, be we Lawyers or prostitutes (very well matched), Priests or Sinners (usually both as far as Priests are concened :-), Businessmen or consumers, Congressmen or the masses, etc: etc: - that we have changed little over the era of cro-magnon man. It is only our exploitation of our environment that seems to have changed and that is directly related to population growth and indirectly related to our growing self-awareness (as some ancients say - we alone in Eden ate the big apple from the tree of knowledge).

I get the impression that you have an issue with corporate world. I don't - they are an evolutionary species, - that could be because I spend most of my life in quieter backwaters than you are subject to (but Napa must be very pleasant?). I see corporations as little more than darwinian evolution & in the longer term they may not survive but then again they may be what they are because they are survival in an overpopulated world.

Corporation vs nation state.

But what the f*** has this got to do with a piddling evolutionary advance in the use of computers, that we are calling XML & Web Services ?

Theirin lies my confusion with your directions :-)

Cheers

Doug
Collapse Edited by dmarker2 June 7, 2002, 08:41:42 AM EDT
Re: ie 'change is inevitable"
"driven largest of all by dreams of personal profit by a very small % of the tenants." When did personkind's greed (or any other downside characteristic) change for the worse ? - I would argue that these characteristics have remained essentially static for the past 40,000 years (at least) but that because the human population has grown so dramatically, & personkind has discovered some secrets of the universe + how to manipulate bits of it, plus add to this our self awareness and our intellectual knowledge, and this may well amplify perceptions of everything we do in today's world (when in fact the only real change has been the world's population & perceptions). Semms to me that we today, be we Lawyers or prostitutes (very well matched), Priests or Sinners (usually both as far as Priests are concened :-), Businessmen or consumers, Congressmen or the masses, etc: etc: - that we have changed little over the era of cro-mangnon man. It is only our exploitation of our environment that seems to have changed and that is directly related to population growth and indirectly related to our growing self-awareness (as some ancients say - we alone in Eden ate the big apple from the tree of knowledge). I get the impression that you have an issue with corporate world. I don't - they are an evolutionary species, - that could be because I spend most of my life in quieter backwaters than you are subject to (but Napa must be very pleasant?). I see corporations as little more than darwinian evolution & in the longer term they may not survive but then again they may be what they are because they are survival in an overpopulated world. Corporation vs nation state. But what the f*** has this got to do with a piddling evolutionary advance in the use of computers, that we are calling XML & Web Services ? Theirin lies my confusion with your directions :-) Cheers Doug
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             I dunno. - (mmoffitt) - (48)
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                     Am getting more into embedded personally, but... - (mmoffitt)
                     Licensing note. - (static) - (44)
                         Maybe I'm just too damned old. - (mmoffitt) - (43)
                             Are you blind??? - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
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                             I didn't say everything should be a web service. - (static) - (38)
                                 Didn't mean to imply you did. - (mmoffitt) - (37)
                                     Your not as old as you think... - (jb4) - (36)
                                         Re: Trying to understand XML & Web Services - try containers - (dmarker2) - (35)
                                             That ... makes sense! - (drewk) - (1)
                                                 TWikified - (kmself)
                                             Very well written, but... - (mmoffitt) - (32)
                                                 Re: Good point - (dmarker2) - (31)
                                                     Let's follow the analogy a bit further - (Ashton) - (28)
                                                         Related to something I was just saying about OSS & FSF - (drewk) - (18)
                                                             Those seem to be the stages, but it's the Aim - (Ashton) - (17)
                                                                 Re: But,but, but - (dmarker2) - (16)
                                                                     Shall we sing "John Henry"? :-) - (a6l6e6x)
                                                                     Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. - (Ashton) - (8)
                                                                         Re: Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. YA GOT ME - (dmarker2) - (4)
                                                                             Well, then you don't know what you're talking about. - (CRConrad) - (3)
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                                                                                     Stone cold sober; at work. Summer. - (CRConrad) - (1)
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                                                                             We had one on the roof! - (Ashton)
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                                                                     Hey Doug, Toolmakers, Machinists, lathes are STILL here - (tonytib) - (5)
                                                                         Re: A funny story re Lathes & precision finishing - (dmarker2) - (4)
                                                                             I had a sort of opposite problem - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                                                                 Re: I had a sort of opposite problem - (dmarker2) - (1)
                                                                                     Only the last sentence is relative - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                                             Taig is still around, but in Arizona - (tonytib)
                                                         Re: Where you are leading may - (dmarker2) - (8)
                                                             ie 'change is inevitable" - (Ashton) - (7)
                                                                 Re: ie 'change is inevitable" - (dmarker2)
                                                                 Therein is the big issue IMO - (drewk) - (5)
                                                                     Yes - it seems to be that last.. - (Ashton) - (4)
                                                                         Re: Ashton, have created a new thread in open ... - (dmarker2) - (3)
                                                                             Beyond call of duty :-) Mine should have been tagged OT - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                                                 Indeed. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                     Tip of iceberg? - (Ashton)
                                                     Amazing thing I heard about containers - (drewk) - (1)
                                                         Sending empties? Buy less shit from there, or sell more! -NT - (CRConrad)
                     Licensing model - (jake123)
         Back below 50 in heavy trading - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
             Re: Not just MS - also IBM, Siebel, Redhat - all slumped - (dmarker2) - (1)
                 Dunno about them 'Industrial Average' thingies - (Ashton)

Oh, we're on?
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