Re: Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. YA GOT ME

Post #41,510 by dmarker2 6/7/02 7:55:34 AM Reply	Re: Yes of course - you can't Not -invent stuff.. YA GOT ME (grin) "you see the effects thus far of a massive Corporatizing worldwide as" Where did I talk about or say anything like the above ??? - I thought I was talking about 'Evolution of the pieces' (appologies to Darwin :-) Cheers Doug
Post #41,512 by CRConrad 6/7/02 8:29:03 AM Reply	Well, then you don't know what you're talking about. The subject was the effect of cultural "evolution", where recent history -- technological progress since ~the beginning of the Industrial Revolution -- has had on the life of Joe Sixpack, "socio-economically" (to wit, to reduce him more and more to a mechanical cog, increasingly redundant). Your apparent Panglossian happy-go-lucky stance, "it's just progress", is not warranted; you haven't presented the least shred of support that it is so... No wonder, though, if you don't even KNOW that that's what you're saying! Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #41,515 by dmarker2 6/7/02 8:34:04 AM Reply	Re: Jeeze CRC - that was mild ... Haven't you got your self tanked up enough yet to include that characteristic f* & s** etc: etc: etc: etc: (ad nauseum) Schnapps (or whatever) can be so eloquent ! (to some). Cheers Doug :-) PS is it summer or winter there now ?
Post #41,519 by CRConrad 6/7/02 9:36:16 AM Reply	Stone cold sober; at work. Summer. Was going to write more, but... it is supposed to be work, after all. Hoped you'd be able to read all I wanted to say into it -- hoped in vain, it appears? OK, I'll try to get back to ya during the weekend. No wonder; I see I missed whole words, in my hurry -- please read an "effect" into that Joe Sixpack sentence somewhere! :-) Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #41,522 by dmarker2 6/7/02 10:00:14 AM Reply	Re: Please accept my public apology for implying otherwise. I accept your word without quibble. I did realise it was summer - was being cheeky about what you guys get up to in winter. I am concerned that an 'innocent' thread on an obvious technology issue & evolution (XML & Web Services) was being hijacked to thrash out personal grievances against corporations (which I would argue don't belong in this thread). What I thought this was about was what XML and Web Services - what they actually and really mean & how these are likely to affect us in the careers we are in. Dragging outside issues into the thread and implying I am a corporate appologist is a distraction from a real world issue many of us are grappling with in regard to understanding the real impact of XML and Web Services, in a real world (the one that pays salaries & keeps us from starvation). Next wed I am to address a variety of execs in our 'Corp' on just what XML & Web Services are & what impact they are likely to have on our business. I was asked to do this because for the past 18 months I have been warning various parts of the company that a 'significant' change was going to occur in what IT means to our business & the way we are likley to build & design software in the future. I don't see anything insidious in this. I am just gald they have listened & want to hear a professional perspective. What they choose to do with the info & about the concept is up their imaginations & courage. Anyway, I don't want to buy into issues to do with corporations. I am happy to let nature & evolution deal with them as will happen. Cheers Doug

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