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New Not all, but many.
Wars? Check. Continuance of the surveillance state? Yes. Continuing to enrich the MIC? Absolutely. No reversal of Wall Street power? Do I even have to answer? Continuing the polarization of wealth? You bet. Continued support for middle class slaughtering via trade deals? Absolutely. Continuance of tax breaks for billionaires? No question. Single Payer stays off the table? Obviously. Banksters continue to impoverish those seeking an education? Check. etc. sic nauseum.
New Let's play counter-factuals.
Do you think Gore would have invaded Iraq?

Do you think Gore would have squandered the surplus on tax cuts for the 1%?

Do you think Gore would have allowed the huge housing bubble to develop?

Do you think 9/11 and Katrina would have happened the way they did under Gore?

There Is A Difference Between The Parties.

Stop pretending there isn't. Even worse than that, stop pretending that Hillary is worse than Trump.

We saw what happened when too many people in critical states bought into Nader's rants in 2000. He's cranking them up again, with an extra helping of sexism.

Nader's an old crank now. We saw what happens when people listen to him. Don't be that guy.

Cheers,
Scott.
New The Dumacratic Party, you mean.
Sure Gore was to the right of a standard Democrat, but still Left of Hillary. There's no question we'd have been a lot better off with Gore than W. Just as there is no question we'd have been a lot better off with Brown than Clinton in 1992. The Democratic Party no longer represents Democratic policies. Hence, I don't feel I *owe* them anything.
New If they can't win the nomination, they can't be elected. That's the way it's always been.
Yeah, Bobbie probably would have been a better president than Dick, also too.

But that wasn't the choice.

You get to choose between 2 people who have the only chances to sit in the White House. Wishing otherwise is fine and good, but you still only have 2 choices. Choosing against your (and your daughter's and the country's) best interests is not the way to change the system.

The Democratic Party decides what Democratic Party policies are. If you don't like their policy position on X, Y, Z, then get involved in the party and try to change them. Only people who get involved get a say. Purity ponies who throw their vote away or sit the election out don't change party policies.

Cheers,
Scott.
New FiFY.
The Democratic Party Wall Street, Big Pharma and Big Insurance decides what Democratic Party policies are. If you don't like their policy position on X, Y, Z, then get involved in the party befriend a billionaire or become one yourself and try to dictate the changes to them. Only people who get involved make gigantic campaign donations get a say. Purity ponies who throw their vote away or sit the election out don't change party policies. Pragmatists who continue to vote for these clowns will never change party policies, let alone government policies.
New katrina would have hit mexico instead and the arabs would have missed the towers cause gore? hardly
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
New Katrina was much, much more than a hurricane.
We still don't know how many people died.

The choice of President matters. In the fall there will be 2 choices (because only one or the other major party candidates will be elected). I know which one I'll be picking...

Cheers,
Scott.
New bernie I hope
always look out for number one and don't step in number two
New the arabs would have missed the towers cause gore? har
Gore might not have blown off the national security briefers the month before with "OK, you've covered your asses." It isn't necessary to be a 9/11 Truther to recognize "Bush kept us safe" as a particularly twisted—variously clinically delusional or sociopathically cynical—meme.
     the Garland nomination - (rcareaga) - (49)
         Now there's a thought - (drook)
         With a Repo Senate this is as good as it gets. - (a6l6e6x)
         a very reasonable choice for the position. -NT - (boxley)
         Not to confound your expectations, but - (hnick) - (42)
             sorry 'bout the dearth of rainbows & unicorns, keed -NT - (rcareaga) - (41)
                 We're all fascists here. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (40)
                     IIRC, you're the only one talking about voting for Trump... ;-p -NT - (Another Scott) - (39)
                         And you guys are voting for the other one. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (38)
                             Yep, it's gaming theory's alpha beta pruning. - (a6l6e6x) - (37)
                                 Which one would that be? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (36)
                                     Trump will do more damage unless you're a Nazi. :) - (a6l6e6x) - (35)
                                         as they pull out musings from their ass - (boxley)
                                         Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (33)
                                             Nope. - (Another Scott) - (31)
                                                 I believe you have identified the problem - (hnick) - (2)
                                                     The Democrats may not be running what we used to call a Democrat - (malraux)
                                                     hey, at least she stays bought look at her sec state record for influence peddling -NT - (boxley)
                                                 I'm a Republican? - (mmoffitt) - (27)
                                                     Re: I'm a Republican? - (malraux) - (5)
                                                         Moving to the Right a little is as bad as moving to the Right a lot. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                             Germany 1930s would seem to be a counter example. -NT - (malraux) - (3)
                                                                 How'd that work out for Germany in the 40's? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                     Uh, yeah, that's my point... -NT - (malraux) - (1)
                                                                         Same road, same destination, different pace. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                     Is Trump running for the Republican nomination? Is Hillary? ;-p - (Another Scott) - (20)
                                                         ... - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                                             No offense, but your white male privilege is showing. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                 Re: The system can be fixed by keeping the White House, flipping 6-12 seats ... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                     Yes, I am deadly serious. - (Another Scott)
                                                             Yours is an unanswerable argument - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                                                 Hillary's not a Republican? I thought her husband said so. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                             BS - (malraux) - (13)
                                                                 why not? Her husband certainly did. He ran and won on the "contract for america" -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                     Eh? CfA was 1994. You know, the election where the House flipped to punish Bill? -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                         Re: Eh? CfA was 1994. - (rcareaga)
                                                                         he ended welfare as we know it passed harsh sentences on criminals took credit for it plus others - (boxley)
                                                                 Not all, but many. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                                                     Let's play counter-factuals. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                                                         The Dumacratic Party, you mean. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                             If they can't win the nomination, they can't be elected. That's the way it's always been. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                 FiFY. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         katrina would have hit mexico instead and the arabs would have missed the towers cause gore? hardly -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                             Katrina was much, much more than a hurricane. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                 bernie I hope -NT - (boxley)
                                                                             the arabs would have missed the towers cause gore? har - (rcareaga)
                                             All politicians are liars. - (a6l6e6x)
         Hatch was on Morning Edition. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             Of course he knew it. These interviews are particularly infuriating. - (rcareaga) - (1)
                 Half lying - (drook)

I turned to him, I said, "A-balone. You're just being shellfish." Well, I knew it was going to be trouble and so did Gill, who was already on the phone to the cods.
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