OH NOES A MODERN TLA! IT MUST BE SHIT AND RUBBISH

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Post #400,443 by pwhysall 3/26/15 3:45:48 PM Reply	OH NOES A MODERN TLA! IT MUST BE SHIT AND RUBBISH CRM was developed in the wake of the Tenerife crash (two Boeings, fact fans!) and other fleshoid-based fuckups. In 1979. "Modern". Heh.
Post #400,455 by mmoffitt 3/26/15 5:07:06 PM Reply	Yep, two Boeings wrecked by a European.
Post #400,457 by pwhysall 3/26/15 6:43:39 PM Reply	And this is why you fail.
Post #400,503 by Ashton 3/28/15 8:05:05 AM Reply	(The CRM idea isn't bollocks, of course) But as a deflection of this issue: it is. Yah, know about that Nederlander #1 pilot's self-cleared take-off ..and the wimpy PNF who didn't say NO!! ... thus everyone, mostly, died. We were talking about, not crew sociology generally: but about the Value / Or Not, of instant feedback when two pilots are (hoping they are..) helping each other fly the plane, while under great stress. And, (as re the universe/the whole-fucking Cosmos and Everything ... you were explaining how you already had all-that-flying-stuff permanently Sorted, too. And I was saying: when you are that presumptuous, and essaying Certainty of such stuff too: you are daft. So maybe no next plane will stall out exactly as ... when a CRM-certified loon like Bonin was killing F. 447 all. the. way. down. Maybe. But with that side-stick still permitted.. any compulsive Still Could. And, freaked-out? fucking-May. Ta ... next we take on the detection of secret-psychotics with epaulets and enough daily-patter to seem 'normal'. Easy-peasey problem, eh?

Airbus - again. - (mmoffitt) - (71) - March 24, 2015, 10:02:48 AM EDT

It was an old plane -- 24 yo. - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - March 24, 2015, 12:32:49 PM EDT

That's not old. My airplane is 55 years old! -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 24, 2015, 02:59:29 PM EDT

Yeah, but you don't go up to 40 K feet. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - March 24, 2015, 05:30:00 PM EDT

Well, if you're going to pick nits. ;0) - (mmoffitt) - March 25, 2015, 08:40:50 AM EDT

And Boeings never crash? - (pwhysall) - (36) - March 24, 2015, 06:55:06 PM EDT

Sure, but for fatal crashes Airbus wins! - (mmoffitt) - (35) - March 25, 2015, 08:33:31 AM EDT

Mein Gott - (malraux) - March 25, 2015, 09:47:06 AM EDT

What a massive margin of victory - (pwhysall) - (33) - March 25, 2015, 09:52:19 AM EDT

Give Airbus a few more years, it'll be larger. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (32) - March 25, 2015, 10:26:55 AM EDT

Will it double? - (pwhysall) - (31) - March 25, 2015, 10:36:59 AM EDT

Will it matter? - (mmoffitt) - (30) - March 25, 2015, 10:46:59 AM EDT

Two. Millionths. Of. A. Percent. - (pwhysall) - (29) - March 25, 2015, 10:53:23 AM EDT

before or after you mined a nostril? -NT - (boxley) - (28) - March 25, 2015, 01:43:09 PM EDT

FOUR millionths of a percent! -NT - (pwhysall) - (27) - March 25, 2015, 04:47:19 PM EDT

thats not much of a booger :-) -NT - (boxley) - March 25, 2015, 09:33:52 PM EDT

Numbers-porn; you're usually not so easily deflected to the simplistic ploy. - (Ashton) - (25) - March 26, 2015, 04:50:54 AM EDT

Hardware can't guarantee that one knows what the other is doing. - (Another Scott) - (14) - March 26, 2015, 08:15:46 AM EDT

especially when one pilot is locked out the cockpit and the other has no response -NT - (boxley) - March 26, 2015, 09:26:40 AM EDT

Coupled controls *do* help, though. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - March 26, 2015, 11:21:06 AM EDT

[citation needed] - (pwhysall) - (5) - March 26, 2015, 11:50:15 AM EDT

Read with comprehension much? - (mmoffitt) - (4) - March 26, 2015, 01:01:47 PM EDT

Just answer the question. - (pwhysall) - (3) - March 26, 2015, 01:21:03 PM EDT

Okay. I'll play. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 26, 2015, 02:59:27 PM EDT

Assertion. - (pwhysall) - (1) - March 26, 2015, 03:47:09 PM EDT

You brought up a question *I* did NOT make a comment about. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 26, 2015, 04:50:23 PM EDT

'The side stick vs yoke issue is red herring, IMO.' [Fail] - (Ashton) - (5) - March 26, 2015, 03:34:05 PM EDT

Flying - no. - (Another Scott) - (4) - March 26, 2015, 04:15:31 PM EDT

And doing that makes *all* the planes safer -NT - (drook) - March 26, 2015, 04:39:05 PM EDT

Nobody's ever claimed that! - (mmoffitt) - (2) - March 26, 2015, 05:02:01 PM EDT

You did read the rest of my post, right? - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 26, 2015, 06:20:21 PM EDT

So coupling the controls was too expensive? - (mmoffitt) - March 27, 2015, 08:50:39 AM EDT

Appealing to facts not in evidence - (pwhysall) - (9) - March 26, 2015, 09:48:23 AM EDT

You're in-lurve with modrin TLAs like "CRM"--as if That 'cooks the rice' - (Ashton) - (8) - March 26, 2015, 03:12:43 PM EDT

Thought experiment - (drook) - (2) - March 26, 2015, 03:22:40 PM EDT

Excellent point; shall need some pondering.. - (Ashton) - (1) - March 26, 2015, 03:45:21 PM EDT

Look at the latest research on self-driving cars - (drook) - March 26, 2015, 04:08:02 PM EDT

OH NOES A MODERN TLA! IT MUST BE SHIT AND RUBBISH - (pwhysall) - (3) - March 26, 2015, 03:45:48 PM EDT

Yep, two Boeings wrecked by a European. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 26, 2015, 05:07:06 PM EDT

And this is why you fail. -NT - (pwhysall) - March 26, 2015, 06:43:39 PM EDT

(The CRM idea isn't bollocks, of course) But as a deflection of this issue: - (Ashton) - March 28, 2015, 08:05:05 AM EDT

Dupe - (pwhysall) - March 26, 2015, 03:47:53 PM EDT

Horrible image. - (mmoffitt) - March 25, 2015, 09:08:56 AM EDT

Pilot error indeed - (malraux) - (28) - March 26, 2015, 10:15:16 AM EDT

Guess he couldn't live with the fact he wasn't flying a Boeing -NT - (drook) - (26) - March 26, 2015, 10:24:10 AM EDT

Errg. - (Another Scott) - (25) - March 26, 2015, 10:33:43 AM EDT

an assumption is being made that he was unwilling to open he door, he may have been incapacitated -NT - (boxley) - (14) - March 26, 2015, 07:26:59 PM EDT

The autopilot was set to an altitude of 100ft while the pilot was out. -NT - (malraux) - (1) - March 26, 2015, 07:30:37 PM EDT

Re: The autopilot was set to an altitude of 100ft while the pilot was out. - (Nightowl) - March 26, 2015, 07:37:25 PM EDT

That's possible, but unlikely here imo. - (mmoffitt) - (11) - March 27, 2015, 08:46:47 AM EDT

from the latest news it appears that it was deliberate -NT - (boxley) - (10) - March 27, 2015, 10:15:01 AM EDT

Re: from the latest news it appears that it was deliberate - (Nightowl) - (9) - March 27, 2015, 01:39:32 PM EDT

I don't know how Europe does it. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - March 27, 2015, 01:55:51 PM EDT

His response was definitely career ending. -NT - (malraux) - (3) - March 27, 2015, 02:10:32 PM EDT

And an affirmation of the physician's finding. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 27, 2015, 02:11:49 PM EDT

He wanted to go down in spectacular fashion and be remembered - (Nightowl) - March 28, 2015, 12:23:46 AM EDT

Ignore...dupe post. Sorry. -NT - (Nightowl) - March 28, 2015, 12:25:31 AM EDT

Doesn't matter much - (scoenye) - (3) - March 28, 2015, 11:03:38 AM EDT

Excellent points. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 28, 2015, 11:20:30 AM EDT

Share your unrealistic hopes.. because one. must. - (Ashton) - March 28, 2015, 05:19:54 PM EDT

Flying amortization -vs- Student Loans - (Ashton) - March 28, 2015, 05:53:13 PM EDT

Could be you win the thread - (rcareaga) - (9) - March 30, 2015, 12:47:28 PM EDT

That and being deemed unfit to fly. - (Nightowl) - March 30, 2015, 07:57:01 PM EDT

There are more differences between how the Europeans do it and we than I realized. - (mmoffitt) - (7) - March 31, 2015, 10:15:35 AM EDT

blame it on the nazis - (crazy) - (1) - March 31, 2015, 03:37:12 PM EDT

That's a tough one -NT - (drook) - March 31, 2015, 05:11:25 PM EDT

NYT sez that.. some slack is cut though, even here. - (Ashton) - March 31, 2015, 06:30:17 PM EDT

Zero tolerance is superficially appealing... - (pwhysall) - (3) - April 1, 2015, 08:17:59 AM EDT

This. - (Another Scott) - (2) - April 1, 2015, 08:27:40 AM EDT

Alternates for pilots? - (Ashton) - (1) - April 1, 2015, 03:23:19 PM EDT

Well said. People do need alternatives rather than being kicked to the curb... -NT - (Another Scott) - April 1, 2015, 05:59:57 PM EDT

Eerie earlier crash. - (Another Scott) - March 26, 2015, 02:02:55 PM EDT

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